Please, Don't Roll on Items for Another Class in Your Team

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It should be clear to everyone now that there is no accepted norm. There is no status quo. There is no common plan that all decent people throughout the world are aware of (whichever plan you like is the good one, btw).

There is in fact a great divide over rolling need for companions.

Discuss the loot rules as a group before leaving for the quest.

Okay, this is an interesting concept, and one that I don't believe anyone has explicitly presented (or at least that I've seen).

Because now we're getting into the idea of "Who can use it more". What if it's an improvement for all the Marauder's stats, but only a few points of Endurance for the Juggernaut? And as presented, both the Juggernaut and Marauder would pull the mods to put it in their current items, so both would use it equally - why, under your "use it completely" does that fall to the Marauder?

Do you really do this in every PUG you're in when an item drops that multiple people can use? Do you analyze the stats, ask people which stat they need more of (because even if it's only +3 END, maybe that's what I really need right now) or whether they're building Crit or Power? All while that little bar is ticking down?

I'll admit I don't PUG a lot (yeah, I know, shocking that narcissists like me have guilds) but none of them I've been in have ever done this. There's an item multiple people can use, I don't inspect someone's stats and then berate them because it's a +2 increase for them when it would be a +7 increase for me. Do you actually do that?

I didn't make this game. I didn't make the game give everyone the same options. I didn't make the game give everyone the same chance on items that drop in a group.

I've posted this before, but anyways.

Dictionary.com ~ Fair

1.
free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.
2.
legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules: a fair fight.

Merriam Webster ~ Fair

1: in a manner that is honest or impartial or that conforms to rules : in a fair manner <play fair>

See all the references to being free of bias, proper under the rules, impartial? Those mean something. The game has specific rules. Before ANYONES view comes into play, those are the rules nonetheless. that includes my views, which are more similar to yours then you seem to think. But the system is this way, whether you like it or not.

What you continue to fail to understand is that you claim 'fair' out of one side while forcing others to comply just to compete. It is inherently 'unfair' in my opinion to allow rolls for appearance and companions over a player.

The moment you decide that my opinion on that doesn't matter and make roll that I wouldn't make you are imposing your system on me and making it completely 'unfair' to me.

My vote would be no as the Jug wears heavy. On the flip-side ..If Medium + Str drops I would give preference to the Marauder as his choices are more limited.

False. It's fair because it gives every player, not just me, the choice to determine need for a particular loot drop without someone's arbitrary rules that are designed to prioritize gearing a character in a timely fashion over fairness.

Then don't choose that.

But that doesn't change the fact that equal rights is fair, and that that fairness has nothing to do with play style, or what you personally choose.

It doesn't change the fact that an equal chance at loot is fairer than arbitrary rules that benefit a particular playstyle at the expense of any other playstyle.

It's not his system. It's not my system. It's BioWare's system.

I'm not forcing you to comply. Those with views differing from the established rules are welcome to challenge those rules or request the use of different ones. And this is what I mean. You and someone who rolls for say looks is in the same group. The system rules in place give everyone the same equally fair chance to roll on anything that drops. The person who rolls for looks understands and is ok with that. You understand it, but do not agree so you run with different rules. Ok good, now you don;t say anything about it, then they roll need against you and win the item. Are you in the right to rage at them? Demean them? Why? You said nothing about your desire for more restrictive rules.

Yup, the only real norm if there is one is that you better discuss the loot rules prior, no matter what your opinion of need is.

Not true at all.

You still hit need on the items you want and not need on the items that you don't want. You don't have to change anything.

There's no forced compliance. You aren't now forced to roll for appearance, or for companions, or anything else.

You don't have to change anything... you just no longer get to control what other people prioritize.

Why

Rolls for appearance are rolls by a player. Rolls for companions are rolls for a player.

Why do you think it's unfair for rolls for one player and not the other?

The only thing that imposes on you is the lack of the ability to control other people's loot decisions. I'm sorry that you think you're entitled to control other people's loot decisions. But you aren't.

The fair system is where you don't get to control what other people to, and they get to control what they do. I'm not really sure what to tell you if you think it's more fair for you to be able to control what other people do; I think that attitude is kind of delusional.

Your choice - whether intentional or not - colors my choices. If you decide to need everything (I know you don't, but most) and I don't conform along with you then I'm going to watch you reap everything from the rest.

It works for you - I get that. But you aren't making a choice without consequence and turning a blind eye to the way others play/equip is no better than any other method.

I will not dispute that everyone always rolling need on everything couldn't be any more fair. But that goes against the grain for a lot of us that want to progress without being held captive by our group mates whims.