No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ispanolfw

01.30.2012 , 01:47 PM \| #991
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu TOTAL SAMPLE: 504 FOR COURTESY LOOTING: 387 Spoiler face_hindu Dargen Halofax Chasted thecoffeecup GamerInDallas Kalthorine FerrusPA mayjin BourbonDingo Mathakar Holron Gohlar gangbot Shinavast utio carnalraven Darthneubauer Lanowin sotaka Berronaxftw plosky Saber_Six Mineria RachelAnne Marcato HexHammer Warlocc Alohen iceperson bboudreaux Apax Vlaxitov falkerman DarthMoord Ecclesiarch crazysam Zortezurtek OBLCDiomedes Sithmud MrLeeNO gurugeorge killa_kiaba Vervain_CC TheCapz pinksock rzrknight RWScissors Kozzmozz T-rollin Pokerface CANOFOWNAGE Attaraxia LogicalPremise EternalFinality Kabjat Chosenxeno Acererak Femmefatality cipero rarianrakista areto Prolapse Leporello tcalusine AlySedai Silvaro Verthiz PassionVsPeace RycheMykola Felioats alkanterah SunwindIon Your_Ad_Here Dstackm Caonimah Cancrizans Valin_Thren Taggardwarf Frostbird Unruhe RagnarokJC DarkoDon Krondorf ScapeGoats Esauru Karzi moonraker_jones Idah stuw Varghjerta msdixi Kalkaii 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_Ender__Wiggin_ xmercxrayx Derbefrier Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue. Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know. You misrepresented just about everyone in the "Against Courtesy Looting" Box. Possibly the other one too. I'm not against "courtesy" looting. But my view on what is and isn't courteous is clearly different than your own. Even people who might agree with you may differing views on what's courteous or not. For example, most could agree that opening a door for someone is courteous. I only agree partly, when doing so is of use to the person. Like if they had a bunch of things in their hands and likely would have trouble opening it on their own. If not the case that they will have trouble, then why is it courteous to do something they can do themselves? Are you trying to point out they they can't do anything themselves so you have to do it for them? Note i'm not saying this is how you think when you do it, just that it's an example. Another thing this side gets misinterpreted as. We roll on everything because we can. When it's more like the system in place gives everyone who participated an equal chance at the loot. No one owns the item til they actually have it in their inventory. And that one persons view of what constitutes need is no more important than another players. And lastly that if you opinion on how it should work differs from the given system, feel free to speak up.

ferroz

01.30.2012 , 01:48 PM \| #992
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar If I roll need only on items that directly improve my character (not companion, not for looks) while YOU roll on everything for any reason - you will get more items over time. That is a fact. No, it's not a fact. it's quite possible for him to get less items over time. I think you've also got a bad assumption in there. Quote: How you can't grasp that rolling 100x vs. 10x is going to give you more is beyond me. Is he actually saying that he's going to roll that way?
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ispanolfw

01.30.2012 , 01:49 PM \| #993
Quote: Originally Posted by Xabana Which part of your arguments am I not understanding? All of them. None is rooted in commonsense or decency. Welcome to the ignore list. Proper arguments tend to actually leave those two things out since they interfere. Oh I posted a link on that too.

Democratus

01.30.2012 , 01:50 PM \| #994
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar If I roll need only on items that directly improve my character (not companion, not for looks) while YOU roll on everything for any reason - you will get more items over time. That is a fact. How you can't grasp that rolling 100x vs. 10x is going to give you more is beyond me. That's like saying its unfair that players who play more are higher level than you. You choose what to roll whenever the need/greed interface pops up. Everyone gets the same choice. It's as fair as anything can be. If you make a decision to abdicate your opportunity for an item - that is on you, not others.

face_hindu

01.30.2012 , 01:50 PM \| #995
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw You misrepresented just about everyone in the "Against Courtesy Looting" Box. Possibly the other one too. I'm not against "courtesy" looting. But my view on what is and isn't courteous is clearly different than your own. What the heck do you keep arguing, genius?! This is the argument!
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ferroz

01.30.2012 , 01:50 PM \| #996
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar Pretty sure I quoted the person I was referring to. ok, so you're not claiming anyone else does that. Good to know.
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ispanolfw

01.30.2012 , 01:50 PM \| #997
Quote: Originally Posted by Xabana No, if you look at my comment, I included "arguing for" and "should" in my statements. I am not saying that anyone is forced to play a certain way. On that note, I DO disagree with the original title of this thread - "no, you may not roll" literally is incorrect. We're talking about how people "should" play - or, if that feels too imperative, we're trying to come up with a model of the best way that people can play. There is no best way when opinions are involved.

Gragus

01.30.2012 , 01:51 PM \| #998
Quote: Originally Posted by Ambrogino Oh quit the grief guys, it doesn't matter to me if you need or not! Not that I have done this, but If gear drops that a companion I have can use, why should I care about you! Companions are a focal point of gameplay and not a choice.. <snip> Fine, then take your companion and two of you can go get his or her gear upgrades. If you need other players to help you, players are ALWAYS prioritized over companions for any gear that drops. Are you dense, or just antisocial? Jeez, we have a lot of MMO newbies around here. All the more need to establish loot rules beforehand and boot those who don't follow them.

Creed_Buhallin

01.30.2012 , 01:51 PM \| #999
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar I've never said they are inferior. To each their own. I do feel strongly that needing on everything for all aspects of your character over another real player is morally bankrupt in a social game - but I don't think they are inferior. Just ill-informed. Well, then, my mistake - you're obviously perfectly respectful to everyone you might play with, even the morally bankrupt "fake" players. Don't how how I could have possibly questions your respect for your fellow players. We obviously have VERY different ideas of what's wrong with the MMO community.

jontyld

01.30.2012 , 01:52 PM \| #1000
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin Do I need to give a statistics class here? Fine. Sample selection is one of the most critical tasks in the proper application of statistical modeling. It must be properly random and free of bias, or any attempt to extrapolate the state of the group at large will be invalid. There are a great many things which can corrupt a sample: self-selection (i.e. asking for volunteers) is a prime one. Sample restriction (i.e. selecting your sample from a smaller sample, rather than the whole group) is another. Pretty much at the top of the list is laying out a honeypot to draw people in, followed right behind an environment with coercive intimidation. Guess what? Your thread count has all of them. You're looking at a sample drawn from an already tiny subsample (the forum), which used an emotional honeypot to draw people in (thread title) where people were bombarded with intimidation and coercion for disagreeing with your side (blacklist threats, give me your server/character name, insults and name-calling) and then counted only people who chose to respond. In short, you'd get laughed out of the first week of an undergrad stats class with something like that. I'm sure it makes you feel better to spend all that time counting people who agree with you and think it means something (that's called confirmation bias) but in the grand view of analyzing the broader community, it's not just meaningless, it's outright lies and propaganda. and all of this is meaningless. He attempted to analyze data from an existing source, he did not attempt to take a random sample for the purposes of an experiment. All that can and should be taken from that data is that out of people who felt the need to express an opinion on this topic on this forum, X were on one side, and Y were on the other.

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