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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Creed_Buhallin

01.30.2012 , 01:36 PM \| #971
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu Do you take issue with my sample size, or my methodology, or what? If you have to ask, you've simply confirmed that you do, indeed, know absolutely nothing about statistical methods. But for your benefit: Trying to extrapolate the state of a large group from a small sample is meaningless if your sample is not properly selected.

crica

01.30.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #972
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu TOTAL SAMPLE: 504 FOR COURTESY LOOTING: 387 Spoiler face_hindu Dargen Halofax Chasted thecoffeecup GamerInDallas Kalthorine FerrusPA mayjin BourbonDingo Mathakar Holron Gohlar gangbot Shinavast utio carnalraven Darthneubauer Lanowin sotaka Berronaxftw plosky Saber_Six Mineria RachelAnne Marcato HexHammer Warlocc Alohen iceperson bboudreaux Apax Vlaxitov falkerman DarthMoord Ecclesiarch crazysam Zortezurtek OBLCDiomedes Sithmud MrLeeNO gurugeorge killa_kiaba Vervain_CC TheCapz pinksock rzrknight RWScissors Kozzmozz T-rollin Pokerface CANOFOWNAGE Attaraxia LogicalPremise EternalFinality Kabjat Chosenxeno Acererak Femmefatality cipero rarianrakista areto Prolapse Leporello tcalusine AlySedai Silvaro Verthiz PassionVsPeace RycheMykola Felioats alkanterah SunwindIon Your_Ad_Here Dstackm Caonimah Cancrizans Valin_Thren Taggardwarf Frostbird Unruhe RagnarokJC DarkoDon Krondorf ScapeGoats Esauru Karzi moonraker_jones Idah stuw Varghjerta msdixi Kalkaii OldBenSmokin Idunhavaname MasterKayote Slteath red_travis GraingerX Darkshadow Darekar profaneascension Kaphik inquisitorshadow Rooksx Four_Leaf_Clover hushia Suzina Solusrath Bionixx ML_DoubleTap Mazikeen jontyld Maccaroth Jedi_Wannabe Scar AibaTakaya Light_Valkyrie Nightfox_ DJavelin Innoe CBGB raidyr Siyko MrTijger Explosive_Lasers Laerune Sufran IceManLoneWolf daddymoofle Everi Seifz Oghier nezroy Seattlite dtim SoulstitchMMO Keihryon Sabretalon marshmellowdude TheSwamper Kourage cdstephen Raelstrom Naduri Hajizan Nicain Darth_Pants Dignam Slurmez corbanite jsdcaedus tarrmar DeathDiciple Brakner alanhurst Krummwalker atroav StevenStarkill Calsetes ChicksDigHarleys Cerion kifa Thradar Kirska Xabana Loreki Qilz Lady_Alyria JustTed Mhorham Erevan_Kindelar Sleekit Gungan Lhuna WFSWTOR uniz eightohfive Talorya JediMasterShake Vendril Lazorous Galbatorrix Ratall Barracudastr VicSkimmr Canuck_TwnTNN Kthx Massimoto Vlacke Daedricshots Grygost Logiick Norumaniac Raximillian wanderica LeonidasSith apetooman Ruuprect Magnijung Malpracticex Giondi Memo_ ivanhedgehog hardicon TheHeadCapper a_coathanger Ansultares Thistlejack Barzarel RayneDancer Vitellius Fiachsidhe Daemonjax Orisai thorizdin Vintal OrbitalDecay Dirtybomb Sardoodledom BladeStrike Cubanito- dipstik Blackavaar mphill MJHoyle Gereon PalawaJoko Jedlosson testingnorman GetPloughed RudeDog Trenyc stavag DavesTheName blargness FalcoLombardi Soulchilde Rodanth_The_Wise DigitalPrime Suzina Saurakk SgtFrog Evilpuppy Shikiru Kinrain Wakow Lizarduz ratfanatic Zhothon JimG Kalfear SithZigg MRSA justahdude MWidowmaker Blackardin Marmerus AaronPenick GellonSW nobadee TYGRHobbes Sodella TheRealDestian Surefiremm keltonz Pathlight- Jigsaw-Complex Murdah Tygranir Aleoi Grecanis Qeuzolt Meiu AlphaBraddox Bobiefatt JHoltJHolt SpikeRosered BegaTasty TonyACT Sulvan Azurewind Tevax ryancwn DariuszPol haXwk Tourette Technotica pokstair Umbral Rollcageuk JohraTon SySnootles DarthSublimitas Backbones Mentoza Black_Rabbit Irusan SkateOnTrees Truga kalexkhan PeterMAbraham owlinspace Edryk Twazzock Ancaglon The_Archon SorrowOVtheNight warpedlogic havok_bloodcraft Valcutio Atamosk Spartanik Thordar Loendar Kindara Razot Sousukesama DrunkenGundark Borntoride realID ClyntKeelan StonySpider Senatsu Jayvenger bejay Zeodic Vessi mattofthekidd ThassiusUK Vahn_Sanji Endunie suroktheslayer Broom Sunspots Smoky_the_Bear Absimillard LuthirFontaine MandoArc Tsaritsin Redderic Neptunius Soultranna Gragus Admoniter BinxDarkstar Saberlost ApLJack Annikhan teddy_bear CeiLican Halinalle JaggidEdje LasCruces areto DarthKhaos Garravesh MaxonJaxon illgot xDagurasu Dizzident Dartagon LifeOfMessiah Zaskaszh DarthNemis Hebrind Ronamo Mogyoon viith GavinRuneblade perato ZDProletariat dcgregorya Wraiven Faulhaber iheartnyc Marb Ariadna joriandrake PsilosLon Funus Irxyyy CptBrit Jellison PANZERBUNNY Darth_Nox Malabaricus AGAINST COURTESY LOOTING: 117 Spoiler Bearaids snooggums Picoom Delekii SnoggyMack United_Strafes Propanelgen Setanian RealAeiouy Ecinev Trisskar rfatcheric infernus_uk Heggs Evilidea antiphobic Catch_TwentyTwo maxetius Vydor_HC romandaemon Tokeee Kemorand Gerandar Skaara Tsillah Aisar CygnusMX Dyltron Genesizs VanorDM Pythoris BigBadEdward Ghaiana acheros Brool Jetsunz itekazzawrrlic Zebular _Rammie_ Xabos Mr_Crueak pocketthesaurus Fredcat CommanderFrog Bystandard Anzel Urgas Lightsanchor Deathstrike Havokk ThiborF daemian GnatB Vonkong Soul_of_Flames Sprite Darkness_au Descento timewatch Viera Tal-N Gehoornde akma Jimudthesecond Jaerin Chuckskyline Eldren zandadoum ferroz chton ispanolfw owenthorn sfthirteen Qoaa Creed_Buhallin Gomuningen Schnerf Busukaba AsheraII Ashes_One stivius Liquid_Drano RazielHex coffeerox Phaydrane Belbullab Sai-to Zannis TucoR Furiso kirorx Trushott Tadshackles apantoliani Democratus Leiloni BenjaminminU Kaphik dargor- terminova Khbaal boobaffet Diabloplayer Spymaster Ambrogino LadyAzurith desertwolph Talkative ArtMonster GeekNius madmikeyb Obus crica svenholio _Ender__Wiggin_ xmercxrayx Derbefrier Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue. Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know. I should not be forced to use anyone's loot rules if I am not in a group with them, I don't care what they vote for or against.

ferroz

01.30.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #973
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar I apologize that you don't like the concept of 'loot whore' - but rolling on /almost/ everything simply because you can is pretty much a textbook definition. Who are you claiming does this? Quote: You don't feel it applies to you clearly, but your statements would indicate otherwise. What statements indicate otherwise? Can you quote one of mine?
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Eldren

01.30.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #974
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu Do you take issue with my sample size, or my methodology, or what? I take issue with your methodology and assumptions. You don't clearly define "courtesy looting". You don't show whether your definition incorporates variants of a given view. You only appeal to two of the largest threads, which is an incomplete data set of a group of posters who already represent a statistical minority of the actual subscriber base. In short, your numbers aren't nearly as reliable (let alone 100% objective) as you'd need them to be to make an irrefutable case for your position, and the position(s) that you include in "courtesy looting" aren't defined to begin with. Bad fact-gathering there, bro.
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Loendar

01.30.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #975
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz False. He thinks that they both get the exact same direct benefit: when you win the item, you both get the item that you wanted. No, you clearly don't respect others. You're flinging insults at people who are in favor of fairness instead of stacking the deck. you're asserting that without backing it up in any way. I say it's the other way around, that perpetuating a system based on removing fairness and selfishness (the one you're advocating) is detrimental to the game. My entire method of loot distribution supports respect for other players and the investment they make in grouping with me. Your method greatly diminishes their potential reward in favor of your own. Just because you CAN roll any anything doesn't make it 'more fair' unless everyone is doing it for the same reasons. You are imposing your beliefs on the group as solidly as anyone else in this thread and the sooner you realize that your way benefits you a lot more than anyone else the sooner you can join a social game.

Setanian

01.30.2012 , 01:38 PM \| #976
Quote: Originally Posted by face_hindu TOTAL SAMPLE: 504 FOR COURTESY LOOTING: 387 Spoiler face_hindu Dargen Halofax Chasted thecoffeecup GamerInDallas Kalthorine FerrusPA mayjin BourbonDingo Mathakar Holron Gohlar gangbot Shinavast utio carnalraven Darthneubauer Lanowin sotaka Berronaxftw plosky Saber_Six Mineria RachelAnne Marcato HexHammer Warlocc Alohen iceperson bboudreaux Apax Vlaxitov falkerman DarthMoord Ecclesiarch crazysam Zortezurtek OBLCDiomedes Sithmud MrLeeNO gurugeorge killa_kiaba Vervain_CC TheCapz pinksock rzrknight RWScissors Kozzmozz T-rollin Pokerface CANOFOWNAGE Attaraxia LogicalPremise EternalFinality Kabjat Chosenxeno Acererak Femmefatality cipero rarianrakista areto Prolapse Leporello tcalusine AlySedai Silvaro Verthiz PassionVsPeace RycheMykola Felioats alkanterah SunwindIon Your_Ad_Here Dstackm Caonimah Cancrizans Valin_Thren Taggardwarf Frostbird Unruhe RagnarokJC DarkoDon Krondorf ScapeGoats Esauru Karzi moonraker_jones Idah stuw Varghjerta msdixi Kalkaii OldBenSmokin Idunhavaname MasterKayote Slteath red_travis GraingerX Darkshadow Darekar profaneascension Kaphik inquisitorshadow Rooksx Four_Leaf_Clover hushia Suzina Solusrath Bionixx ML_DoubleTap Mazikeen jontyld Maccaroth Jedi_Wannabe Scar AibaTakaya Light_Valkyrie Nightfox_ DJavelin Innoe CBGB raidyr Siyko MrTijger Explosive_Lasers Laerune Sufran IceManLoneWolf daddymoofle Everi Seifz Oghier nezroy Seattlite dtim SoulstitchMMO Keihryon Sabretalon marshmellowdude TheSwamper Kourage cdstephen Raelstrom Naduri Hajizan Nicain Darth_Pants Dignam Slurmez corbanite jsdcaedus tarrmar DeathDiciple Brakner alanhurst Krummwalker atroav StevenStarkill Calsetes ChicksDigHarleys Cerion kifa Thradar Kirska Xabana Loreki Qilz Lady_Alyria JustTed Mhorham Erevan_Kindelar Sleekit Gungan Lhuna WFSWTOR uniz eightohfive Talorya JediMasterShake Vendril Lazorous Galbatorrix Ratall Barracudastr VicSkimmr Canuck_TwnTNN Kthx Massimoto Vlacke Daedricshots Grygost Logiick Norumaniac Raximillian wanderica LeonidasSith apetooman Ruuprect Magnijung Malpracticex Giondi Memo_ ivanhedgehog hardicon TheHeadCapper a_coathanger Ansultares Thistlejack Barzarel RayneDancer Vitellius Fiachsidhe Daemonjax Orisai thorizdin Vintal OrbitalDecay Dirtybomb Sardoodledom BladeStrike Cubanito- dipstik Blackavaar mphill MJHoyle Gereon PalawaJoko Jedlosson testingnorman GetPloughed RudeDog Trenyc stavag DavesTheName blargness FalcoLombardi Soulchilde Rodanth_The_Wise DigitalPrime Suzina Saurakk SgtFrog Evilpuppy Shikiru Kinrain Wakow Lizarduz ratfanatic Zhothon JimG Kalfear SithZigg MRSA justahdude MWidowmaker Blackardin Marmerus AaronPenick GellonSW nobadee TYGRHobbes Sodella TheRealDestian Surefiremm keltonz Pathlight- Jigsaw-Complex Murdah Tygranir Aleoi Grecanis Qeuzolt Meiu AlphaBraddox Bobiefatt JHoltJHolt SpikeRosered BegaTasty TonyACT Sulvan Azurewind Tevax ryancwn DariuszPol haXwk Tourette Technotica pokstair Umbral Rollcageuk JohraTon SySnootles DarthSublimitas Backbones Mentoza Black_Rabbit Irusan SkateOnTrees Truga kalexkhan PeterMAbraham owlinspace Edryk Twazzock Ancaglon The_Archon SorrowOVtheNight warpedlogic havok_bloodcraft Valcutio Atamosk Spartanik Thordar Loendar Kindara Razot Sousukesama DrunkenGundark Borntoride realID ClyntKeelan StonySpider Senatsu Jayvenger bejay Zeodic Vessi mattofthekidd ThassiusUK Vahn_Sanji Endunie suroktheslayer Broom Sunspots Smoky_the_Bear Absimillard LuthirFontaine MandoArc Tsaritsin Redderic Neptunius Soultranna Gragus Admoniter BinxDarkstar Saberlost ApLJack Annikhan teddy_bear CeiLican Halinalle JaggidEdje LasCruces areto DarthKhaos Garravesh MaxonJaxon illgot xDagurasu Dizzident Dartagon LifeOfMessiah Zaskaszh DarthNemis Hebrind Ronamo Mogyoon viith GavinRuneblade perato ZDProletariat dcgregorya Wraiven Faulhaber iheartnyc Marb Ariadna joriandrake PsilosLon Funus Irxyyy CptBrit Jellison PANZERBUNNY Darth_Nox Malabaricus AGAINST COURTESY LOOTING: 117 Spoiler Bearaids snooggums Picoom Delekii SnoggyMack United_Strafes Propanelgen Setanian RealAeiouy Ecinev Trisskar rfatcheric infernus_uk Heggs Evilidea antiphobic Catch_TwentyTwo maxetius Vydor_HC romandaemon Tokeee Kemorand Gerandar Skaara Tsillah Aisar CygnusMX Dyltron Genesizs VanorDM Pythoris BigBadEdward Ghaiana acheros Brool Jetsunz itekazzawrrlic Zebular _Rammie_ Xabos Mr_Crueak pocketthesaurus Fredcat CommanderFrog Bystandard Anzel Urgas Lightsanchor Deathstrike Havokk ThiborF daemian GnatB Vonkong Soul_of_Flames Sprite Darkness_au Descento timewatch Viera Tal-N Gehoornde akma Jimudthesecond Jaerin Chuckskyline Eldren zandadoum ferroz chton ispanolfw owenthorn sfthirteen Qoaa Creed_Buhallin Gomuningen Schnerf Busukaba AsheraII Ashes_One stivius Liquid_Drano RazielHex coffeerox Phaydrane Belbullab Sai-to Zannis TucoR Furiso kirorx Trushott Tadshackles apantoliani Democratus Leiloni BenjaminminU Kaphik dargor- terminova Khbaal boobaffet Diabloplayer Spymaster Ambrogino LadyAzurith desertwolph Talkative ArtMonster GeekNius madmikeyb Obus crica svenholio _Ender__Wiggin_ xmercxrayx Derbefrier Sampled from the two largest current threads on the issue. Anybody have a problem with the data, or if I misrepresented your position, please let me know. So you have a list of 3:1 showing there were 3:1 posters in favor of what? From memory, some were in favor of communicate before hand, some had other ideas, and even others had more ideas. If you're going to throw statistic about, I'd like to know how you compiled them. I will certainly allow that there is a 3:1 in favor of telling other players how they should roll. How-ever, that in itself means nothing. because at the end of the day, you can produce 1million to 1 and I will still roll how I choose to.
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face_hindu

01.30.2012 , 01:39 PM \| #977
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin If you have to ask, you've simply confirmed that you do, indeed, know absolutely nothing about statistical methods. But for your benefit: Trying to extrapolate the state of a large group from a small sample is meaningless if your sample is not properly selected. So you are saying that the majority of posters who have posted a strong opinion on this issue are in favour of "Need on whatever you want"? I don't know what you're trying to say, because you haven't said anything.
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Loendar

01.30.2012 , 01:40 PM \| #978
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian Ah. but from this side that's what it sounds like. You want to roll pass or greed and have me agree with you and roll the same. Just because you want to pass or greed does not infer I have to. And you have no right to say otherwise. You are ascribing some weird morale high-ground to my choice where none exists. There is no martyrdom occuring here other than in your misinformed interpretation. I want gear for my toon AND I want my groupmates to have gear for their toons.

VanorDM

01.30.2012 , 01:40 PM \| #979
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis I am simply trying to persuade you and others to please stop and think a little longer before you roll need. No, you are trying to argue that your way is inherently morally and ethically superior to others, because you constantly use words like respect and selfish, to describe the two sides. You clearly are using words to describe each group, that imply a given group is better in a moral sense then the other... Unless you are going to try and argue that calling someone or their actions as selfish, is not making a moral statement and judgement. I believe in equality, in that if I find the item useful to my character, I have the right to roll need on it, just like everyone else. You on the other hand feel the need to force additional rules on the system, to decide who's desire for the item has greater weight.

face_hindu

01.30.2012 , 01:40 PM \| #980
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian How-ever, that in itself means nothing. because at the end of the day, you can produce 1million to 1 and I will still roll how I choose to. Yes you will.
On March 20th, 2006, Moniker said: We make sword stone for keeper and pull they do it and excalibur come out. have no make stone to for sword we make sword box for sword to put sword in for sword. Anarchy Online Bulletin Board

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