No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Nope, it isn't. It was just a passive-aggressive dig at you. It also makes him feel better about himself because he can consider himself "more real". It's rationalization of bad, anti-social (i.e., anti-MMO) behavior.

I still think you and I are in the majority. Too bad there is such a vocal minority here, however.

False. He thinks that they both get the exact same direct benefit: when you win the item, you both get the item that you wanted.

No, you clearly don't respect others. You're flinging insults at people who are in favor of fairness instead of stacking the deck.

you're asserting that without backing it up in any way.

I say it's the other way around, that perpetuating a system based on removing fairness and selfishness (the one you're advocating) is detrimental to the game.

I'm just saying, it's 3 to 1. You're wrong. Give it up.

Ah. but from this side that's what it sounds like. You want to roll pass or greed and have me agree with you and roll the same. Just because you want to pass or greed does not infer I have to. And you have no right to say otherwise.

Might doesn't equate to right.

It just means you have the power others don't have and will use it to get your way.

You are wordsmithing. The point of this thread is to argue that a common decency should exist in loot rolls that is based upon an actual heirarchy of demand and worth created out of comonsense and decency. Nothing more.

At the end of the day, I place upgrades, cosmetic or otherwise, for my own character and my companions above upgrades for other players. I don't advocate rolling Need on everything, but I fully advocate rolling Need if you want the item for your own purposes. Invariably some are going to abuse this and become legitimately greedy, Needing on things solely to sell them. It isn't my concern; my concern about a given item ceases once it's in someone's inventory, whether mine or someone else's.

Many players feel this way. You cooperate to defeat a boss, you roll for yourself. If you're personally fine passing on an item you want so someone for whom it's a greater benefit, that's admirable, and entirely your choice. But it doesn't make those who don't do the same less morally justified.

Any facts to back *any* of that up? No, didn't think so.

Have you counted the fors and against? No? more baseless information.

That stuff may be your *opinion* but that's all it is and sorry to tell you, worthless.

Telling someone that their way of playing is inferior to yours is not respectful of others.

Is it maximally beneficial to the team's ability to progress if someone takes an item for looks instead of stats? No, it's not. But pursuing that maximal benefit is not the only way to respect others in the group.

Personally, I do my best to make sure everyone enjoys their time in the game as much as possible. That means that if looks are important to my wife, and stats are important to you, then you get an even chance to get that item and the dice will decide it, and we press on and deal with the content that comes next. That's how you respect other players, not this twisted view of forcing maximal effective stat progression down their throats whether they like it or not.

Can you actually provide a counterpoint, and not just make absolutist statements that have no backing?