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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 12:58 PM | #911
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
That reply was both "it's my right" and "it's my decision" all wrapped together with no real explanation of exactly what it is about cosmetics or companions that make them rise to the level of need over the functionality of a fellow player who is actually in the instance.
No one says that the level of need is more than that. so the reason you don't see that explanation is that no one is making that claim.

The functionality of the item for your purposes does not actually mean that it's a need. It's just something you want. You want it for your reasons and it doesn't mater what those reasons are. Just like I want it for my reasons and it doesn't matter what those reasons are.

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Grecanis
01.30.2012 , 12:58 PM | #912
*edit* Sorry ..forgot to quote the post I was referring to.

Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM View Post
You make it quite clear with the words you use that you believe that your method is the morally and ethically superior method.

You use words like respect and courtesy to describe your way, but terms like disrespect and selfish to describe mine. Even though I at best will have a equal chance at winning an item I will use as anyone else who rolls need/greed.

I will if everyone else rolled Greed state I'm going to roll Need if I want the item for a companion, and why, if people have an issue with this, depending on how the group is going otherwise, I will either select greed and take my chance or perhaps quit the group if it has been going badly. In fact I'll likely state that up front before the group starts.

I will not pass/greed an item I can use as an upgrade just because someone else selected Need, regardless of why they did it.

I will not feel I'm somehow cheating someone out of something if I win the roll.
self·ish   /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled[sel-fish]

1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives
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dis·re·spect   /ˌdɪsrɪˈspɛkt/ Show Spelled[dis-ri-spekt] Show IPA
noun
1. lack of respect; discourtesy; rudeness.
verb (used with object)
2. to regard or treat without respect; regard or treat with contempt or rudeness.
Origin:
1605–15; dis-1 + respect
Synonyms
1. contempt, disregard, irreverence.
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re·spect·ful   /rɪˈspɛktfəl/ Show Spelled[ri-spekt-fuhl] Show IPA
adjective
full of, characterized by, or showing politeness or deference: a respectful reply.
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having or showing good manners; polite.
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Now you tell me who's argument better represents which definition
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Loendar
01.30.2012 , 12:58 PM | #913
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Again, incorrect. I said I'm entitled to roll how I choose. I said you have no business in how I choose to roll.

Please read before your jump the gun. He who jumps the gun, gets shot in the ***
Okay. More to point.

Your concept of what is a valid 'entitled' roll greatly outstrips my opinion of what qualifies. Therefore, you are inherently - in your estimation - entitled to more than I am.

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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 12:59 PM | #914
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
Actually mods I use are 47+.
not the ones from the daily quest rewards?

if the mods are level 47, what exactly do you have that's level 35?

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ispanolfw
01.30.2012 , 12:59 PM | #915
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
Maybe not the same ..but close.

I'll agree that gearing a companion is important. But I would disagree that it takes precidence over another member of the group.

This game provides may way with which to obtain gear. Not the least of which is farming instances. Why can that method not be used to upgrade external factors such as aesthetics and companions? Why does it have to be in the instance and at the expense of your fellow members?

to answer the inevitable reply of "stats can be farmed too" ...The look you like will still be available ..the stats one needs at that time may only be availabe at that time.
Because aside from Vendor Oranges, the oranges you get from missions are for your class 99% of the time. In fact the items for your companions are usually green. So if you want a certain look, you HAVE to go to a FP. And also, since people have noticed only gear for their base class drops when they solo a FP, you pretty much NEED someone from that other class to come to even have a real chance at it. But no, those people aren't allowed to roll since that other member can benefit more.... wait, what?

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Creed_Buhallin
01.30.2012 , 01:00 PM | #916
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle View Post
Actually mods I use are 47+.
Quote: Originally Posted by Halinalle
Yeah, I think level 50 gear would be better than level 35 gear I still have when you do Hard Modes.
<shrug> I give up. I stand by my last assertion: Language barrier, troll, or clueless as to game mechanics.

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ferroz
01.30.2012 , 01:00 PM | #917
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Okay. More to point.

Your concept of what is a valid 'entitled' roll greatly outstrips my opinion of what qualifies.
No, it's just different

your premise is not a true statement, so the conclusion is indeterminate.

Quote:
Therefore, you are inherently - in your estimation - entitled to more than I am.
No, I don't think I'm entitled to anything more than you. We're both equally entitled to a roll for the loot. Nothing more, nothing less.

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Loendar
01.30.2012 , 01:01 PM | #918
Quote: Originally Posted by crica View Post
No, only to loot we WILL use - be it for looks or stats.
Which is something that not everyone agrees to be on equal footing.

Your default position is that any perceived 'need' on your part - visual, stat or companion is equally important.

I disagree with that assessment on its face.

Your system benefits you and only you (unless everyone in your group shares it, of course) while mine benefits others as well.

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Creed_Buhallin
01.30.2012 , 01:02 PM | #919
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
self·ish   /ˈsɛlfɪʃ/ Show Spelled[sel-fish]

1. devoted to or caring only for oneself; concerned primarily with one's own interests, benefits, welfare, etc., regardless of others.
2. characterized by or manifesting concern or care only for oneself: selfish motives
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Now you tell me who's argument better represents which definition
I'm going to say it's the guy who thinks that his playstyle is the only valid one, that thinks someone who has other priorities should take a back seat and not have an option for an equal shot at the loot.

Just in cast that's too subtle:

devoted to or caring only for STATS; concerned primarily with one's own STATS, benefits, PROGRESSION, etc, regardless of others WHO MAY PREFER APPEARANCE

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PeepsMcJuggs
01.30.2012 , 01:02 PM | #920
Quote: Originally Posted by crica View Post
Because I use items I need for looks or stats - and not all items I need that I use for looks and stats are only for my "class".
Okay, I think you're still confused by what I'm saying. Items that can be equipped by anybody, regardless of whether they boost your stats or not? Sure, fair game. I'm talking specifically about those items that you cannot equip even if you wanted to. The ones that are restricted to a specific class. If an item can only be equipped by, say, Jedi, then I think the system should be set up so only Jedi can roll Need for it.
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