Operative/Scoundrel Damage (Pics from WZs)

Ok, this is first time posting on these forums coz i usualy just read and laugh to myself at how stupid most people are on these forums, and the truth is 95% that post here have no clue about what **** they're chattin, yet accuse others of the same and its pathetic, it really is.

now my first point for this is ....




you state "sorce" of being in all those screenies ...... and then claim Agent but not sure if SNP or OP ...... what makes you so sure they're sorce ?? ...... they are in fact Assasins, for 2 reasons ....

1. none of them have any healing done apart from one, which im not sure is a sorce and maybe due to use of med packs for my second reason which is ..

2. Sorce don't hit for the numbers being shown .. equal champ gear to another player a sorce will NOT hit for over 4k, Assassin on the other hand will, and do all the time.


I play sorcerer my self, healer mostly, i'm currently sitting on 10% expertise with my current gear, and i can say 100% i've never bin hit by another sorce for more than 3.2k
i've also when running dmg specc never hit anyone my self for more than 2.8k which was with chain lightening used off the wrath proc from madness tree giving 20% extra damage.

i have however, bin hit regularly by assassins for 4k+, BH's for 4.5k+ and bin hit a few times by Scoundrels Operatives for 7k+

the current situation for me atm is this .... i regularly get killed inside a stunlock by OP's coz theres just no way to counter the amount of burst they put out, only if im lucky, and they arn't very good, i can run away, if they are good however im dead, no question, no argument, im dead. don't give me the lol force sprint/bubble/cc ******** coz in the real world vs real pvper's it's not even a factor my healings gimped within pvp combat, and certain classes i cannot stand toe to toe and out heal a single classes DMG its not possible, i can run rings around a single assassin IF i have obsticles to kite him around, same can't be said for the other melee classes as they have more tools for lockin people down and closing gaps.

now im not saying sorce is underpowered as such, but they deffo are NOT overpowered and all the people saying otherwise are just bad players, every decent pvper knows if theres a sorce on the field you go kill them first, coz they're the easiest target to kill especialy for melee, i constantly get arse ***** by 4+ melee in every WZ coz they know as well as i do, im not gonna survive 3 seconds.

lets list the sorcerers defensive arsenal :-

1. Static Barrier

oh wait thats it .... which can be used once every 20 seconds and by my estimate absorbs roughly 4 - 5k dmg with the 20% buff from lightening ..... which seein as almost every other class in the game crits for 4k+ anyway, doesn't exactly stop much in the long run.

with how all the whiners on this forum talk static barrier could even absorb chuck norris, its bollox.

truth is at the end of the day sorce is not Overpowered, its far from it, yes they "can" be nasty if left alone to freecast on some nub standing in the open scratchin his lefty.

but as soon as any attention is turned to them they have to run away coz they can't withstand a battering from anyone, light armour, no Defensive CD, and everything we do is on a cast, any instant cast's we get, then have a 10 sec+ CD before they can be used again, some instants we need to cast or channel something in order to get a proc BEFORE we can instant cast .... and even then the proc isn't 100% .... wrath from madness sometimes takes 3 Force lightening channels to proc, thats 9 seconds of channeling before you can then insta cast chain lightening, which then has a 6 sec CD.

i could ramble about this all day, i know there are ignorant arrogant anal passages out there that will still argue Sorce is the devils work.

OP / scound is gettin nerfed coz they need it, theres no way anyone can argue against it.

BH =//= Merc / trooper -- this needs nerfing next, as thier DMG / armour / healing is out of whack they're a hybrid just the same as a sorce, yet they have heavy armour which provides a 100% uptime dmg reduction, as well as doing the second / third biggest crits in game next to the OP's, as well as being able to heal ..... now im not gonna say what needs to be done to nerf these coz i honestly don't know enough about every single ability they have to give a factual opinion .... only thing i can say is .... gettin spammed by a single ability that hits for shet loads is too much combined with everything else.

marauders -- i think they need a little tone down on thier defensive CD's in conjuction with thier dmg ... i've seen a fully BM geared guy tank 6 people, and kill 2 of them before they could finaly kill him ... given, some of the 6 may have bin window lickers but fact remains, 1 guy shouldn't be able to tank 6 and kill 2 while his CD's are active. other than that, don't see much issue with them

every other class has thier annoyances, but in general is somethin you learn to live with and counter ....

so i say this ..... all the people claiming sorce dmg is OP in pvp, piss off and stop being bad.

all those that say sorce utility in pvp is OP .... maybe in butthall only ... but then, concidering the amount of knockbacks / grips / charges / stuns ect ect .... they are hardly alone, they are the only class that brings a defensive grip .... but theres 2 others that have an offensive grip to counter ....... so agen, stop whining and form a team of players that combine the strengths of everyone. theres no "i" in TEAM !

Operatives had some crazy burst, but in pvp the larger problem is that they did it while you were unable to control your character -- that, as a concept, never works out. Skill is completely removed from the equation by a simple boolean check of whether you had all your defensive CDs ready for this one person.

To the other issues - Mercs, really? People think spamming tracer missle is op? Personally, I find the class hilarious, as you interupt a tracer once with a lockout on the skill and you can literally watch the character stand there while the player is smashing his one button and can't figure out why nothing is happening.

Beyond that Sorcs DO need a nerf, just not in their damage. I have no issue with thier ability to output damage, nor their escapes -- where they need tweaking is in their baseline healing and shielding, since it all scales with the same stats (same goes for Sorcs). Without spending a point in the healing tree, a medicore player here can pull an easy 100k healing and triple that in damage. Scoundrels/Operatives and Commandos/Mercs base heals aren't this effective, to wit you'll see solid damage OR healing from these classes, rather than seeing both which tends to be the case on Sorcs/Sages. That all being said, I really think if Sorcs/Sages baseline heals and shielding was reduced (but obviously increased from their respective healing trees) a lot of the complaints would die.

I swear to god watching sorc's crying about others being OP and crying for everyone to be nerfed BECAUSE THEY ARE HORRIBLE makes me crack up.

People don't realize that the opener is only part of the problem. Average opener is around 4k HP. THat's already 25% of my HP. My gf can explain it better as she actually plays the class. Basically her damage consists of a 4k opener and like a 3k backstab. After that I'm taking dot ticks that bring me to 15% HP.

That is with 600 expertise on my guardian.

So basically w/o defensive CD's an operative has brought me already down to 15% hp in a single opening rotation. That is fair?

People don't realize that the opener is only part of the problem. Average opener is around 4k HP. THat's already 25% of my HP. My gf can explain it better as she actually plays the class. Basically her damage consists of a 4k opener and like a 3k backstab. After that I'm taking dot ticks that bring me to 15% HP.

That is with 600 expertise on my guardian.

So basically w/o defensive CD's an operative has brought me already down to 15% hp in a single opening rotation. That is fair?

People don't realize that the opener is only part of the problem. Average opener is around 4k HP. THat's already 25% of my HP. My gf can explain it better as she actually plays the class. Basically her damage consists of a 4k opener and like a 3k backstab. After that I'm taking dot ticks that bring me to 15% HP.

That is with 600 expertise on my guardian.

How do you have 600 expertise and 12k HP is my question?