No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

EDIT: And in said community there still may be people who disagree with the community's decision on what's right or wrong.

(Now Edited to address responses. See below about the refrain of 'you need to make loot rules clear before you start.'

Changed title in response to the variations of this:


The trouble there is confusing 'can' - which is determined solely by you - and 'may,' which takes others into account. The difference is the whole reason for this thread, and the title was accurate, but since it seems easily misunderstood, I've changed it.



Original post:
I can't believe I'm posting about item rolls, usually not a big concern for me. But poor claims hurt group dynamics, and there's no need for this kind of thing.

Today, a Sith Marauder rolled Need to get this
Cademimu Sharpshooter's Jacket
+34 Endurance
+38 Cunning
+18 Critical Rating

when I pointed out it was made for an Agent, like me, he said he intended to strip out the mods and trade them.

When I noted that the mods are Bound, he insisted that since he could wear it, he could roll. More surprising was that when he brought the issue to /General, a few voices agreed.

Most did not, but the others need to know that sort of claim is a party-breaker. This is clearly an Agent item - a huge upgrade in my case - and my next group will get a little less healing as a result.

One of the pleasures of running Flashpoints is the chance to get gear suited to you. If it's better suited to someone else, leave it for them.




Edit: Responses to the Peanut Gallery


That approach hurts your whole team, including you.
If I think that way, too, each FP run will improve our stats only half as often. I'll end up with your Marauder item and you with the Agent jacket as often as the other way, and we'll be no stronger for it.
If the rest of the team responds that way, your odds of bettering your abilities drop to a quarter. Grabbing 'because I can' is a losing standard.


It's definitely best to run with friends. Like a lot of players, I find I need to reach out further for some missions, and that usually turns out well, in part because our community expects players to be considerate of their teammates.




It's not your fault when someone acts like a jerk, even if you didn't give them guidelines ahead of time.

Clarifying loot rules may be a wise practice (on p. 71, Caille recommends a 'loot macro'). But not doing so doesn't make poor behavior your fault. And a loot-jerk won't be banned or punished by Bioware.

The kind of person who would take such a thing (really: a Cunning item, for a Marauder?) would need such detailed loot rules (Can you roll on item that increases secondary but not primary stats? Vice-versa? An item you already have but with mods you want?) that you'll never address them all. If you find discussing loot rules works for you, great, but don't ignore the value of community expectations.






My hope? A class-based rolling system would be nice (and, if an option, hugely popular), but introducing it takes more developer time than the ability to trade a BoP item within a team for a limited period. That option that won't deter the defiantly selfish but would help in many other cases.

Until then, here's to a community that follows Wheaton's Law. Interpretations will differ, but it surely has something to do with respecting others, beyond 'you look after your interests and I'll look after mine.'


SWTOR is just a game, but I believe in the social value of gaming, and if you play in such a way that people were glad to have spent time with you, you're doing something right... whatever you did or did not discuss in advance.

No offense, but the little edit at the end is the only relevant thing you said. You may think it's right to need on an item you don't need, but the society you are playing in doesn't, which makes it wrong. You are being immoral by doing so, and most likely will be punished. Have fun trying to be amoral in a game based on human interaction.

Yet another "my opinion is right, yours is wrong" person. Orange gear is most certainly for looks customization. They could have just had an odd mod slot here and here and there and had no oranges whatsoever for looks customization.

Then you will not get very far with groups my friend, and this game will be a very poor, lonely experience for you.

Just because you don't understand the system is no reason to make incorrect statements like you have.

It is a fact - it is the only gear that is currently fully mod-able to end-game. It isn't a 'guess' or 'opinion'. There is no right or wrong.

Anyone that can say that orange gear is purely for looks is playing a different game.

The problem here is that there is a choice at all.

Need/Greed needs to be removed from player choice. This eliminates issues like the one under discussion, and all the associated drama with said issues.

Have a simple percentile roll (1-100), if any of the "parts" are better than any of your parts add 25 to the roll. If the gear is better than something your companion is wearing, even by 1 point, add 50 to the roll. If the gear is better than what you're wearing, even by one point, add 100 to the roll.

High roll wins the gear.

There is absolutely ZERO need for player interaction on this.

Y'know there is a simple solution to this that eliminates all the drama and QQing.

And, it's also for looks customization. It's not one thing and nothing else. It's in no way the same as the system Aion and now WoW use, but it is most certainly for looks customization.