Why are so many people against Arena in Swtor?

Adding in a new form of pvp creates more things they have to ballance classes around and more gear or reward issues. There are dozens of issues with pvp atm that can and should be fixed way before they add in new systems.

If your house is currently leaking water from the roof doesnt have windows and the doors are all broken you dont start talking about digging a pool in the backyard. Once some of the core pvp/pve issues are taken care of they can move on to adding new things.

You can say the same things about the upcoming rated WZs, but people like to ignore these things that don't support their stance on the subject.

I'm done arguing for Arena and the fact that I don't need to get gear but would still like some sort of thing to obtain from my time sink (titles- cosmetic gear changes)...

Either way if BW decides not to implement it they will still lose a fair few subscriptions to GW2.

People using the balance cr@p need to visit the PvP forums because with or without Arena nerf cries will come.

The only reason I see people not liking it (opinion), is they know they won't do well in a small setting where they can't hide out in a crowd. it's harder to play when you are always accounted for

Yes, why make a pool in your backyard when you could make a pool indoors!

but i am not a professional gamer , and i am not even trying to be , i play games for fun not for fame

wow arenas had no skill for professional players , i could agree with you , but for me it still have too much to offer, i can get more rank , i can face more skilled oponents,so, ok wow arenas is nothing for professional players but still a nice competitive circle for normal players

now tell me a game where just skilled players play, if you can ?.......

i can take SC2 as example , i can be the most dumb person in the world , i still have my spot to play , where i find oponents at my level.

all the games have a pool of skill , some games just get small pools and others have bigger pools.

now please dont judge a game just because of that pool size.

I love arena, I found that it is the only way to rapidly teach players to learn how to to play PvP effectively while still rewarding them for effort. What is more, it's a fun way to PvP with small groups of players, building or enjoying friendships. To me, arena has always been a fun part of PvP, and I would love to see it implemented in SWTOR.

However, I am a PvP player, and as such, I see that there needs to be much work on existing PvP features and classes before new content such as arenas are implemented.

Edit: I should specify that I'm talking of arena 3v3 and up, 2v2 is too difficult to ballance.

You're trying to argue on the back of there being a different 'type' of skill, to some extent that's true... but it's just semantics. The people I was replying to were talking as if though they were something special because of achievements made in WoW. They're nothing.

If you're not doing it for the competition, then it's just a deathmatch. Anyone can organize a deathmatch anywhere. The time and effort required to have the game do it for you isn't worth it. Organize it yourself if you're so intent on it. I've done plenty of player run tournaments, and I'm aware on a few servers some have already started up.

This whole train of thought is irrelevant. I've been talking about the skill ceiling of the genre and games in question, not of whether or not it's fun to be bad at a game.

Large pool or small pool is irrelevant. I've been talking about the caliber within, not the size of. Darkfall was a relatively small pond, but the level of competition at the top was very high, the highest I've seen in an MMO to date. Which is to say, still beneath the greats in the FPS/RTS genre. Whereas in a game such as WoW, no matter how small or large that pool is - at the very top there's hardly any room for skill to shine. In an FPS the best players in the world could beat an entire team of average players all by themselves. In an RTS the best would be microing circles around their opponent all while macroing to a better economy. Whereas in an MMO with GCD and tab target... there's just no room for skill to shine unless you're competing to be king of the losers.

At which point I ask, what's the point? The point is exactly that, it's for people who can't compete in games where the skill ceiling is high. Which goes to my next point... Why should bioware cater to those people? I'm all for a deathmatch warzone, but why does it need to be something more than that? It's not worth it.


I'm not against arena because it's arena, I'm against it because it's a waste of time. For the ultra competitive types - because they're just flunk outs from games with real competition, and for the casual types, because they can be better served by another warzone than an entirely separate game mode. It's a waste of time, effort and money.

I'd prefer them balance classes around warzones than around a 3v3 team (Which as wow has shown, can't be done)

Because they are scared. Having concrete proof of how bad they are makes them wet their panties.

I would disagree, it is possible, just not easy. Especially when people are always convinced that THEY have been wronged.

Arena is a mistake , WoW developer stated that they could not balance it , the moment you stand a class 1x1 , even if people say skill is all that matter , some classes got a edge over another just like got a weakness to another one.

Thus the only arena that is 100% skill based is one where players only fight others of their own class.And even then , we can discuss the dps/tank/heal things.

Thus arena is a bad idea , just like it is in WoW , where i believe any hardcore arena player alrdy knows , people get combos , and these combos go pretty far , the skill of the player is quite secondary to that.