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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Darkulous
01.29.2012 , 03:35 PM | #281
I think people forget that even if a cross-server LFD was put in the game you can still form groups the same way we do now.

The LFD doesn't replace anything.
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Sendrel
01.29.2012 , 03:43 PM | #282
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
You can't block them access to the game, no. You can, however, not group with them, not bring them into your guild and avoid them. When somebody starts gaining that reputation as being somebody to stay away from, they either A) change their ways or B) have to find other ways to play. They do not continue to force their evil shenanigans on others though.
Translation:

Its not enough to ignore someone and NEVER have to group with them ever again. I'm not going to be happy unless I'm able to more effectively attempt to ruin their experience as well.



Its that mindset, more than anything, that destroys community.

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Joretur
01.29.2012 , 03:43 PM | #283
However, learning from others who have implemented the cross-RDF...it does affect those that don't utilize it, as they nerf them to make them easier for the users of the RDF.

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Sendrel
01.29.2012 , 03:44 PM | #284
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
However, learning from others who have implemented the cross-RDF...it does affect those that don't utilize it, as they nerf them to make them easier for the users of the RDF.
Hardmodes.

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BlueSkittles
01.29.2012 , 03:47 PM | #285
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
However, learning from others who have implemented the cross-RDF...it does affect those that don't utilize it, as they nerf them to make them easier for the users of the RDF.
Which is why some of us have suggested they keep Nightmare mode versions out of the Dungeon Finder. This way, old-school community people get to do it the old-fashioned way and Bioware can keep them really hard.

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Racheakt
01.29.2012 , 03:47 PM | #286
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkulous View Post
I think people forget that even if a cross-server LFD was put in the game you can still form groups the same way we do now.

The LFD doesn't replace anything.
I think the problem is they think it will take away more people forming groups in general fleet chat. -- which is true.

In WoW I played a tank, my brother played a healer. We used the LFD to pick up DPS, rarely did we have problems. Runs were friendly and chatty as we enguaged in conversation. I also used the LFD to hone my tanking skills in PUGs, later to go to maintank my guild in ICC.

I also think some folks want to be a big fish in a small pond rather than a common fish in the ocean. Nothing wrong with that. And this red herring that without a LFD we can somehow punish the "bads" by denying them groups is silly.

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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 03:47 PM | #287
Quote: Originally Posted by ianroyal View Post
anything is better than the current 'spam general for well over an hour and still not find a group' nonsense. this is regardless of class or role. i read the first few pages here and what is up with the false dichotomy? you can have both a lfg tool(cross-server, even) AND choose to find groups, in your current manner. one has nothing to do with the other. i just want to run the content and anything that saves me the hours of finding ANY group would be superb. playing the actual game trumps community, imo. i'd rather get the small percentage of jerks, like i do in wow, and get to play than wait because some self-aggrandizing people think it will affect them. or, get rid of warzone queues.
Thanks for the post Ianroyal, we're posting on behalf of people like you Unfortunately Bioware is blocking a lot of our efforts at the moment but just like in WoW, we'll avail.

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Trenyc
01.29.2012 , 03:49 PM | #288
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkulous View Post
I think people forget that even if a cross-server LFD was put in the game you can still form groups the same way we do now.

The LFD doesn't replace anything.
Not the best argument ever. The number of people willing to go on dungeon runs is already limited now. If you put in a cross-server LFG tool, a lot of people will use it. That substantially reduces the pool of people who are willing to wait for a group to be thrown together using normal channels.
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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 03:51 PM | #289
Here's the issue. 5 mans or 4 mans in this game can never be truly challenging due to the variety of classes/specs in the game. For example in WoW if they made a boss enrage so quickly that it required an insane DPS check, it would make having a Mage or Shaman mandatory for heroism which speeds up your haste. You can only truly start to balance stuff around the 10 player mark.

Also, in WoW if you don't elect to choose a X-LFD you won't receive the 15% bonus so the dungeon will actually be semi-difficult if you don't over gear it. Also, champion style timed modes are coming to WoW

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Joretur
01.29.2012 , 03:51 PM | #290
Quote: Originally Posted by Sendrel View Post
Hardmodes.
Those get nerfed as well, as people then start complaining that they can't do the same stuff others are doing. It just continues until you end up with Panda Land