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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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if you want to invite me to party, ASK ME first.

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ShotByBothSides
01.29.2012 , 03:10 PM | #121
I too like to give and receive some basic good manners, so I not very keen on ninja invites and I rarely accept them.

I do hope that it is not just "old scholars" that exhibit decent manners nowadays, but they are becoming rarer to find in the real world too.
"Manners maketh man"is what my old Gran used to say, and she was spot on; except of course she would have to say “and woman” in todays society

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Lazzer
01.29.2012 , 03:11 PM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by SwiperNoSwiping View Post
If someone just randomly invites you and you haven't posted or said you are looking for anything I understand declining those. If I invite you after you have said you are looking for that flashpoint and you decline, I assume you don't want to go anymore and I find someone else. It's you're decision if you auto-decline and that's you're right, but expect to miss out on a lot of opportunities.

I rarely if ever get psted before being invited, and you know what I don't care. I understand people are different and I don't expect them to morph they're perception of the world and how people should act towards each other to fit mine. It's you're right to not group up with them so don't and move on, don't come on here and expect to change the way other people behave.
I think it's more of a case that this is a new MMO and the players come from multiple MMO backgrounds with some new players mixed in.

We all need to build a community and develop the unwritten rules of this game, expecting the practises and unwritten rules of our previous games to be adhered to is wrong, we each bring our experiences to the table and the community will evolve as a melting pot.

We all need to change and adapt to each other and expressing our irritations over social aspects of the games is part of it.

There are players quick enough to dump you from a group if your equipment is not up to scratch or you haven't yet run that specific flashpoint so I don't see a difference between having requirements of people that invite you to a group and having requirements of the people you invite.

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Lazzer
01.29.2012 , 03:12 PM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by ShotByBothSides View Post
I too like to give and receive some basic good manners, so I not very keen on ninja invites and I rarely accept them.

I do hope that it is not just "old scholars" that exhibit decent manners nowadays, but they are becoming rarer to find in the real world too.
"Manners maketh man"is what my old Gran used to say, and she was spot on; except of course she would have to say “and woman” in todays society
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Celerian
01.29.2012 , 03:14 PM | #124
If it's a completely blind invite, I'll generally turn it down. If it's someone I know or there's a pretty obvious reason for someone to invite me without saying anything first (e.g., I was spamming lfg, we're both waiting on the same quest mob) I'll usually take it.
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Ituhata
01.29.2012 , 03:15 PM | #125
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
I have taken the liberty to circumvent the obvious retorts to my post with the following hypothetical questions:

"If you don't wanna be invited to groups, you should just go play a single-player game."

No. I don't mind being invited to groups. What I do mind is someone inviting me to party without showing me the courtesy of ASKING me first if I wish to party with them.

"Turn on auto-decline group invites if you are such an anti-social person. Gawd, it's an MMO, people group to do stuff."

I love to group with people in order to meet a common objective. In fact, I am usually quite enthusiastic to party up with other players...provided they are willing to behave in a social manner themselves by being POLITE. It's RUDE to ninja-invite. Is it so hard to WHISPER someone and ask them if they even WANT to do the same thing you are doing?

And incidentally, I HAVE toggled auto-decline after today...didn't even know it was an option till my husband showed me. It cheeses me off that I have to and that people are so socially stunted that they can't be bothered to ASK first.

I'm all for efficiency. But when someone just spams me with his party invite without any regard to what I may be doing, it just makes me NOT want to party with him on principle alone. Like, even if I do want to do the same thing he wants to do, Saving Face, Personal Challenge, whatever....if he sends an invite without asking first, it's a forgone conclusion that I will NOT group with that person.
While I agree with you, OP, I often do (and I hope others do the same to me) just simply toss an invite when we both walk up to a quest objective that has to respawn. I sincerely hope people understand my intentions when I do, most do, some decline (I understand they may have auto-decline, that's ok), and understand I'm going to kick you as soon as we both get credit.

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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 03:16 PM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by TheACow View Post
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE AGREES!!!

All it takes is a "hey would you like to do <INSERT WHAT YOU WANT TO DO>"
wait for the reply of "YES!"
then send the invite.
ROFL well I am positive there are more as well who agree. xD

I think it's the mentality of being raised texting. Although that makes it sound like I'm implying only young folks eschew tedious pleasantries. I've know tons of awesome younger people in my short MMO career. That statement alone gives away that I'm old but you get my point >.<

I think many 'old school' people or just plain OLD PEOPLE (like me, my kids are old enough to consider me embarrassing D: ) are startled or taken aback by how the younger generation communicates. To them, it's not rude, it's just commonplace. Perhaps I should be a bit more tolerant....I dunno.

I still don't like ninja-inviting XD
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Goshnye
01.29.2012 , 03:26 PM | #127
Interesting, isn't it, Kabjat, that MMO's -- supposedly games frequented by people looking for social experiences -- are actually frequented by a not small number of socially-awkward people. I agree with you completely, inviting without asking first is rude. But for people to understand this issue you're raising here would require some modicum of social cognizance -- lacked by many of those who replied to you.

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Kubernetic
01.29.2012 , 03:26 PM | #128
I wholeheartedly agree with the OP's comments, and some of the responders.

If the leader of a group is so aloof that they'll just invite total strangers without ever contacting them and asking them if they're up for the task at hand just signifies a poor experience in the making.

It takes little to no effort to just send someone a whisper if you believe they are the perfect addition to your party.

What's wrong with, "Hey, are you by any chance up for running through <insert mission here> with us? We could use someone like you."

Ask first, then invite.
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It's even worse over on another game I've played (which uses warp engines in the space component) where I will get invited to groups to be the 5th person so they can form their own guild, even though you can see I'm already in another guild if you just LOOK!!

Yeah sure, let me just disband my own guild and my spot as the guild leader so I can help you form your little group even though you just invited me without ever even asking me.

I just don't get some people, unless they're kids and don't know any better.
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Kabjat
01.29.2012 , 03:28 PM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Ituhata View Post
While I agree with you, OP, I often do (and I hope others do the same to me) just simply toss an invite when we both walk up to a quest objective that has to respawn. I sincerely hope people understand my intentions when I do, most do, some decline (I understand they may have auto-decline, that's ok), and understand I'm going to kick you as soon as we both get credit.
Yep! xD and it has been very instructive for me to read people's position on this topic.

I agree with the inviting to a group for an OBVIOUS objective that everyone needs.
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mrcaptainpants
01.29.2012 , 03:30 PM | #130
Quote: Originally Posted by Kabjat View Post
couldn't have said it better myself. I like smellin the flowers xD and I would probably irritate others who move at a much quicker pace than me.
LOL! Me too! In another MMO, I once let a friend talk me into joining her and her new guildies as they led us on a quest chain so quickly that by the time I was done looting the corpses I stood up, looked around, and realized I was all alone.

By the time I caught up with them, they were just running away from a quest giver. They couldn't wait for me, so by the time I was finished clicking the "Accept Quest" button, I was all alone. Again. No one in sight.

This continued for quite some time, with the only real conversation in party chat being "click that."; "Kill that."; "Accept this quest.".

I thought I was gonna lose my mind. I eventually stopped even trying to loot my mobs; there simply wasn't time. It was the most unpleasant way I could imagine to experience an MMORPG.

Now, while that is not the same thing that is being discussed here, its an offshoot of the same kind of philosophy in which the ingame objective is made much more important than the social interaction.

To which I say: phooey.