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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Joretur
01.29.2012 , 02:06 PM | #251
Well apparently somebody cried because I referred to the attitudes that result from cross realm groups acting like the mean spirited folks they are. Apparently you guys don't like people pointing out arguments of why this is a bad idea, and only want your opinion listened to.

Cross Realm leads to no accountability and allows more anonymity to where you have no reputation which helps in the community to self policing.

As far as the "we have real lives" argument for not finding a group. This is a lame argument. I too work, date, live in the outside world, but it is not hard to find 3 other friends to go in and just do the stuff. There is absolutely no need for anything cross realm. If you can't find friends there are bigger issues at hand for you.

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MalignX
01.29.2012 , 02:10 PM | #252
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
Well apparently somebody cried because I referred to the attitudes that result from cross realm groups acting like the mean spirited folks they are. Apparently you guys don't like people pointing out arguments of why this is a bad idea, and only want your opinion listened to.

Cross Realm leads to no accountability and allows more anonymity to where you have no reputation which helps in the community to self policing.

As far as the "we have real lives" argument for not finding a group. This is a lame argument. I too work, date, live in the outside world, but it is not hard to find 3 other friends to go in and just do the stuff. There is absolutely no need for anything cross realm. If you can't find friends there are bigger issues at hand for you.
Then don't use the LFG tool when it comes.
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Joretur
01.29.2012 , 02:13 PM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
Then don't use the LFG tool when it comes.
The damage is done to the game and community regardless of if I use it or not. I didn't use it anyway since I didn't fail at having friend to play the game with in WoW. I mean as an example, they had to bribe tanks and heals to even use it as the culture that became the LFD became so horrid. The same will happen here if it is implemented.

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Neiloch
01.29.2012 , 02:15 PM | #254
Quote: Originally Posted by Metalmac View Post
PVE Raids in this game just do not exist at all.

No one is doing raids on my server and can not find anyone that sees in the future they will.

The easy access to PVP RNG gear and re rolling toons at low level to stay OP is number 1 now.

SWTOR fails at helping or promoting RAIDING. The problem is they made raiding complicated

But made PVP easy stupid.
I'm all for raids being complicated. I LOVE a PROPERLY WORKING (bugged encounters, no thanks) hard raid encounter. But you are right, PvP is the path of least resistance for gear right now, and by A LOT. Unfortunately, try as I might, I can not stand PvP. Queuing up and going up against a pre-made is the opposite of fun.

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Neiloch
01.29.2012 , 02:20 PM | #255
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
I didn't use it anyway since I didn't fail at having friend to play the game with in WoW.
I have about 8 friends on here so far but the problem is we have conflicting classes/roles and time schedules. Right now we lack tanks and are often relying on the one we do have or finding pick up tanks if we can, which would be further remedied by a LFD tool.

In any event as it stands we will be getting some sort of server only, robust LFG tool. they already said if population problems warrant it they would be open to cross server as well.

Also fro mthe first page:

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2. LFD destroys community:

a. LFD allows players to play the content they are paying for. Community is not LFG/LFD for 3 hours with no response for you. It's also not running all dungeons only within guild.

3. But this other game, that has millions of subcribers is losing people because of it!

a. No, they're not, unless you can give solid numbers, this is a strawman argument. Stop it. Unlike the last incarnation of the LFD tool which had people using trade to form groups and only using the tool to Q on the side, people are going out to do content while Qed.... instead of sitting in town. Also, reffer to above post on my personal experience in wow.

1) Gaming demographics have changed

The average face of a MMORPG gamer has changed dramatically over the past, we are melting pot of veterans, power games, stay at home dad/moms, the unemployed, the mentally ill, casual gamers and multi-platform gamers. Due to the mass appeal, subscriptions have soared like never before and have brought unforeseen consequences when the play styles of some of these gamers have clashed. The challenge is how we accommodate players of differing extremes: some want tight-knit communities that encourage and require players to work together, players who support grouping within same server but demand working reliable tools to facilitate the process, and finally players who frankly just want access to the game they paid for at their convenience.

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MalignX
01.29.2012 , 02:24 PM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
The damage is done to the game and community regardless of if I use it or not. I didn't use it anyway since I didn't fail at having friend to play the game with in WoW. I mean as an example, they had to bribe tanks and heals to even use it as the culture that became the LFD became so horrid. The same will happen here if it is implemented.
I guess you'll be quitting this then too. So sad. Sorry the rest of us see it as another tool in the box instead of this mythical game destroyer. Kudos on having a Tank/Healer/Dps/Dps combination of friends that facilitates your Flash Point running on your schedule.
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BlueSkittles
01.29.2012 , 02:29 PM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
Well apparently somebody cried because I referred to the attitudes that result from cross realm groups acting like the mean spirited folks they are. Apparently you guys don't like people pointing out arguments of why this is a bad idea, and only want your opinion listened to.
Always funny. The crybaby defense. Bioware, do you see the type of people you are propping up by not having a real LFD tool. I have no problem listening to you people all day. Hell, I even sided with one of your types because I thought it might help Bioware to at least get any kind of tool out faster. But I'm done again. Cross-server LFD or I'm out.

Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
Cross Realm leads to no accountability and allows more anonymity to where you have no reputation which helps in the community to self policing.
"self policing" is just a metaphor for you and your guilds having tyrannical control over a community and whether people are good enough to run Flashpoints/Operations with.

Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
As far as the "we have real lives" argument for not finding a group. This is a lame argument. I too work, date, live in the outside world, but it is not hard to find 3 other friends to go in and just do the stuff. There is absolutely no need for anything cross realm. If you can't find friends there are bigger issues at hand for you.
Not hard for you. I'll say it again. Not hard for you. I'm sorry that we seem to be malfunctioning clones of you. I'll get right on trying to be more like you.

Just downloaded WoW again. Can't believe it's come to this.

Also saw this cool video guide to the new Kaon Under Siege Flashpoint. The only way I'm going to actually see this Flashpoint. Spoiler of the bosses, btw. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M80SV...layer_embedded

And to Bioware's Flashpoint/Operation designers. Please help your other team members understand that a proper LFD system and one that is cross-server will allow a helluva lot more people to see and experience the cool content you've created.

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Joretur
01.29.2012 , 02:30 PM | #258
Don't say I didn't warn you when you come here complaining about how awful the community is to each other if its implemented.

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MalignX
01.29.2012 , 02:32 PM | #259
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
Don't say I didn't warn you when you come here complaining about how awful the community is to each other if its implemented.
As long as you aren't there we'll be fine I think.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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XxPetexX
01.29.2012 , 02:37 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Joretur View Post
Well apparently somebody cried because I referred to the attitudes that result from cross realm groups acting like the mean spirited folks they are. Apparently you guys don't like people pointing out arguments of why this is a bad idea, and only want your opinion listened to.

Cross Realm leads to no accountability and allows more anonymity to where you have no reputation which helps in the community to self policing.

As far as the "we have real lives" argument for not finding a group. This is a lame argument. I too work, date, live in the outside world, but it is not hard to find 3 other friends to go in and just do the stuff. There is absolutely no need for anything cross realm. If you can't find friends there are bigger issues at hand for you.
Nobody cried, I merely pointed out to you that just because ppl don't want to spend entire evenings spamming general chat to do some end-game content, doesn't mean they
are lazy. It means many of us simply don't have the time to put in to doing that.

Just because you don't have any problem finding groups. Doesn't mean others aren't having problems. You claim it's not hard to just go in find 3 friends and "do the stuff" well it actually is to some ppl.