NO Addons please. There is another solution!

Ok, so without addons you think that WOW (im not afraid to say THE name) would bring back harder content? Because last time I checked, it was dumbed down to the point where my dog can clear DS(ya my dog plays an arcane mage).

If they were balancing content based off addons, that content would actually become of a harder difficulty, due to the added tools one can simply download and have an easier time to down bosses, yet it is the exact opposite we are seeing, except for a few select bosses.

I think ppl missing the old good AVR days back at ICC

Because addon's make the game easier, apparently all these people who are against addon's, have never done M'uru when he was first released in wow, how many guilds killed him before they had to nerf him ? like 3 and there where tone's off addon's during that time, so do some research before you say dumb stuff like addon's make the game eaiser.

I would love to see these people who are against addon's go fight pre-nerf pre-nerf M'uru or pre-nerf Rag in firelands or pre-nerf Lady VashJ or pre-nerf Kaelthas sunstrider, or pre-nerf hardmode miniron < just a few examples that addon's don't make the game eaiser.

Your examples are VERY bad. If there were no addons no one would have beaten those encounters for a very long time. The thing is WoW had addons during that time. Had them for years before those fights. Blizzard admitted to tuning the fights extremely hard, but then again they HAD to because guilds were blowing thru content in a week and then crying about how the game has no more challenges and isn't fun for them.

Now on to this game. The hardest content in the game has been beaten many times by many people. Without addons. In barely one month of the games existence. WITHOUT ADDONS! Bioware is already working on making the UI customizable on their own, so that argument is null and void. So why do you need them? There is no valid reason for them at this time in this game. Would it be nice to know what your DPS is? I suppose so. I would hate to not know if I was the one not allowing my group to blow thru the entire endgame content in a few days. Poor WoW babies need their addons to stroke their e-peen. Has nothing to do with need.

no one forces you to play this game. accept it the way it is. this isn't WoW, and will never be. it's swtor. completely different mmo. stop comparing it, or stick to WoW. WoW has no relevance to this game. i'm not against these so-called add-ons, i'm just saying constant comparison to WoW makes it sounds like you should stick to playing WoW if it's that much better. you can't make this game WOW just because you prefer it over swtor.

People play video games for different reasons. I am a very competitive person and so I play games to compete with other people. I play MMOs as dps to compete with other people for that coveted #1 spot on Recount.

There are of course bad things about some add-ons. Gearscore in WoW made it very difficult to get your foot in the door as a fresh max level character because people would demand gearscores so high that you would need gear from the raid you were trying to get in to. However this is a failure on the part of the organizer of that raid, not of the add-on itself.

Recount has saved me countless wipes by being able to look back and see what happened that caused us to wipe last time.

I also won't be doing any serious healing until I can use mouseover heals, it's just to tedious for me otherwise.

TLDR: Like everything else there are pros and cons to add-ons, no they are not NEEDED, but many people including myself find them very useful.

Why exactly do you not like SWTOR as is? If you don't like it, don't play, instead of changing it for everyone else.

I actually don't care, but the point is that the above statement is just as valid as the one you made. Add-ons change the game. Some people will like it, some won't. "If you don't like them, don't use them" is no more of an answer than "If you don't like it, don't play".

We can't pretend that things happen in a void. If there are DPS/Heal meters, etc. the game community *will* change, even for those who choose not to use them.

Yes, they can be useful for high end raids. Also, sadly far too much of the MMO world mainly use it as replacement for other things and need the ruler to feel adequate. You can't just have the positive of meters, without having the bad sides... thus the discussions.

NO Addons please. There is another solution!


yes there is, make the content so faceroll easy that it dosent matter.

Except it's not changing it for everyone else. It's changing it for people who want to customize their UI and leaving it the same for people who don't.

Kind of like how I don't like raiding on my Sentinel, so I avoid PvE Operations on her. Were I more like the OP and friends though, I'd be on the forums asking Bioware to never make another raid again, because people who like different things than I do don't deserve to be able to play the game the way they want to... Which is just a stupid and extremely vindictive way to look at things.


Bringing up the "bad" of meters would be a valid point... if it weren't already clear that the people who are dumb can manage to be perfectly dumb without tools assisting them.

Two words.
Gear Score.