Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

There isn't much left to say about this. We need something that's better than the system we have now at the very least. The game is easy enough pre-50 so that you never really need a group but once you want to do endgame stuff it gets difficult to even find a normal FP group.

Although I suspect this might also be due to people starting 53467236 alts instead of leveling to 50.

I guess that means nobody likes being a guild as much as you think, shocking eh? When I was raiding back in the day I noticed tons of players in many guilds only log in for raid nights. If your guilds aren't strong enough to withstand the X-LFD and LFR then I guess it's time for those specific guilds to go.

I think this is one of the causes, cause honestly this game has very little 'vaccum factor' to pull me in. I'm only level 33, i have desire to be lvl 50 cause there isn't really anything to do from what I've heard.

This is how I work as well. I don't want to be locked into a clique of my guild for every little thing, especially if I am raiding on a schedule. I already play with these people a GUARANTEED several hours a week, a DF tool to meet some completely new people is great.

Any accusation that people who want a DF want it so they don't have to be in a guild is silly. That is unless they don't want to be in a 'wal-mart' guild which is completely understandable imo. Matter of fact last night while I was in a HM the 3 other people were talking about how their guilds are lacking members but they is no way in hell they will join a 'wal-mart' guild. You know, one that invites indiscriminately and has 200+ people.

The people who want others forced to be in a guild are anti-social.

Just because you get on every night chat away and play with people doesn't mean you are social when they are the same exact people every time. I'll give anyone a chance and group with them, this would be the MMO equivalent of a 'social butterfly' while people who will only group with guildees are in a closed off 'clique', about as anti-social as you can get without cutting off everyone completely.

Seriously saying tight knit guilds who interact with one another almost exclusively are more social than people who do PUGs is like saying joining a sequestered cult is more social than going to random parties every weekend.

Hell no to Cross server. It brings out the *** in everybody. There is no accountability for ones actions, nothing. I mean if you can't find 3 other friends to do something with, you don't deserve to be in the flashpoints anyway.

With cross server, people will then start ************ because content is too hard for the pug group, so it gets nerfed. People just are able to be even bigger douches because they are even more anonymous since its random servers.

Cross server ruined the community in wow. I watched it happen, you can cry all you want that it did't, but it did. LFR is even worse, it completely killed the game for me and everybody I know. There is no enjoyment in the game anymore(WoW).

Quit being so damned lazy.

Being in a super guild would help some but then super guilds rarely have good raid progression.

http://tor-talk.com/the-dungeon-finder-debate/
-Link doesn't work.

http://tornetwork.net/tag/dungeon-finder/
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http://www.machiavelliscat.com/liore...st-against-lf/
-Addressed below.

Many believe that a Cross server LFD tool is bad, even devs from BW.

I just wanted to shed some light on something people haven't touched on yet. There are some losers in the whole X-LFD debate, it isn't a simple win-win solution.

1) DPS queues go up for some, down for mostly everybody. Ever hear of people who say there queues went up after X-LFD was released, they weren't lying. The reason why there queues were so short was because mostly everybody else gave up looking for a group out of faustration or they where on a particulary good server that was very active.

2) People who enjoy being needed. What I mean is say you log on everyday at 7pm, you were met with a plothera of tells and invites to groups, you had a place on the server if you played enough. The problem is that most people didn't play that much to reach that kind of recognition. The X-LFD changed the philosophy of needing people to advance to being able to depend on yourself to play the game. Some people like this, some people don't.

3) Those who enjoyed imposing social justice on people. With X-LFD you could no longer go on a personal vendetta to ruin someones play experience who didn't play by the rules from which you subscribed yourself too. Again, people are divided on this.

That's about all I can think of, miss anything?