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Dungeon Finder Needed Badly


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Nitewolfe
01.29.2012 , 11:59 AM | #231
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
No the truth is in the pudding so to speak. The people that want a Cross Server LFD tool dont want to be in guilds at all. They do not want to socialize, they choose to play the game the same as a lobby game or a single player game. Its the same thing. MMOs are either a Lobby game or a single player game. Therefore Guilds should be your way of progression.
Completely wrong.
I am pro cross server lfd and i always end up in raiding guilds in these games.
Guilds for me are for raid progression even in wow with the LFR i still need my guilds (i am in several across different servers) to progress in the hardmode content which is not available in the lfr.

Once again your saying people like me do not want to socialize which is completely false. You seem to be incapable to realize that we are the social ones you are the anti social ones!
People are people and playing with them even one time is social interaction and you walk away from it with your game play being enriched from the experience good or bad!

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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 12:01 PM | #232
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
Awww. It's starting to devolve again.
I'm gonna have to pick on you for a second MalignX, we're on the same side so hopefully you won't get offended by it Devolve is not a word, you cannot devolve. I know it's tempting to equate moving backwards with "devolving" but that's still considered an evolution cause any movement is considered moving towards agoal which is in itself an evolution. Hopefully that made some sense

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Nitewolfe
01.29.2012 , 12:03 PM | #233
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Yea and the /ignore function means Dick if the LFD tool is cross server. If its server only there is already a Limited amount of people to play with, if you are limited even more because you are an ****** then it its affective.
Aww another person with control issues.. Its not enough that the /ignore will stop that player ever having a effect on YOU. You demand that you have the ability to control that player completely even with other people!

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MalignX
01.29.2012 , 12:03 PM | #234
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I'm gonna have to pick on you for a second MalignX, we're on the same side so hopefully you won't get offended by it Devolve is not a word, you cannot devolve. I know it's tempting to equate moving backwards with "devolving" but that's still considered an evolution cause any movement is considered moving towards agoal which is in itself an evolution. Hopefully that made some sense
de·volve
verb \di-ˈvälv, -ˈvȯlv, dē-\
de·volvedde·volv·ing
Definition of DEVOLVE
transitive verb
: to pass on (as responsibility, rights, or powers) from one person or entity to another <devolving to western Europe full responsibility for its own defense — Christopher Lane>
intransitive verb
1
a : to pass by transmission or succession <the estate devolved on a distant cousin> b : to fall or be passed usually as a responsibility or obligation <the responsibility for breadwinning has devolved increasingly upon women — Barbara Ehrenreich>
2
: to come by or as if by flowing down <his allegedly subversive campaigns…devolve from his belief in basic American rights — Frank Deford>
3
: to degenerate through a gradual change or evolution <where order devolves into chaos — Johns Hopkins Magazine>
See devolve defined for English-language learners »
Examples of DEVOLVE

She cynically asserts that our species is devolving.
Somehow the debate devolved into a petty competition to see who could get more applause.
Community leaders hope that the new government will devolve more power to the community itself.
Responsibility has devolved to the individual teachers.

Origin of DEVOLVE
Middle English, from Latin devolvere, from de- + volvere to roll — more at voluble
First Known Use: 15th century
Related to DEVOLVE
Synonyms: atrophy, crumble, decay, decline, degenerate, descend, deteriorate, ebb, regress, retrograde, rot, sink, worsen
Antonyms: ameliorate, improve, meliorate
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Rhymes with DEVOLVE
absolve, convolve, dissolve, evolve, involve, resolve, revolve

Not offended at all.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Neiloch
01.29.2012 , 12:15 PM | #235
Quote: Originally Posted by Nitewolfe View Post
Completely wrong.
I am pro cross server lfd and i always end up in raiding guilds in these games.
Guilds for me are for raid progression even in wow with the LFR i still need my guilds (i am in several across different servers) to progress in the hardmode content which is not available in the lfr.

Once again your saying people like me do not want to socialize which is completely false. You seem to be incapable to realize that we are the social ones you are the anti social ones!
People are people and playing with them even one time is social interaction and you walk away from it with your game play being enriched from the experience good or bad!
This is how I work as well. I don't want to be locked into a clique of my guild for every little thing, especially if I am raiding on a schedule. I already play with these people a GUARANTEED several hours a week, a DF tool to meet some completely new people is great.

Any accusation that people who want a DF want it so they don't have to be in a guild is silly. That is unless they don't want to be in a 'wal-mart' guild which is completely understandable imo. Matter of fact last night while I was in a HM the 3 other people were talking about how their guilds are lacking members but they is no way in hell they will join a 'wal-mart' guild. You know, one that invites indiscriminately and has 200+ people.

The people who want others forced to be in a guild are anti-social.

Just because you get on every night chat away and play with people doesn't mean you are social when they are the same exact people every time. I'll give anyone a chance and group with them, this would be the MMO equivalent of a 'social butterfly' while people who will only group with guildees are in a closed off 'clique', about as anti-social as you can get without cutting off everyone completely.

Seriously saying tight knit guilds who interact with one another almost exclusively are more social than people who do PUGs is like saying joining a sequestered cult is more social than going to random parties every weekend.

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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 12:17 PM | #236
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Basically you think this game should be a game were Guilds do not matter. This is not an argument for an MMO. If you dont want a guild and want to just randomly play an Single Player or a Mutliplayer game is for you. NOT an MMO.
I don't believe anyone is saying guilds shouldn't matter, what people are saying is I don't want to be left for dead if i don't have the support of a guild. Every problem with group finding affairs your solution is finding a guild that works around that. I don't think that's feasible, or in the more relative terms people don't want those solutions.

You have your way of playing that works for you but seem to be blind that others the game differently and enjoy it. You can't mold someone into your way of thinking, especially not in a video game. This is not a battle you can win at all I'm afraid, advocates of the X-LFD started long before the X-LFD was even conceived and they were beseighed with a lot of hate, more so then even in this game. In the end they were pushed out with their tails between their legs, the same will happen in here I'm afraid.

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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 12:20 PM | #237
Quote: Originally Posted by MalignX View Post
de·volve
verb \di-ˈvälv, -ˈvȯlv, dē-\
de·volvedde·volv·ing
Definition of DEVOLVE
transitive verb
: to pass on (as responsibility, rights, or powers) from one person or entity to another <devolving to western Europe full responsibility for its own defense — Christopher Lane>
intransitive verb
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I could of sworn it wasn't a word. Odd. The more you know!

P.S. Help me get my foot out of my mouth it appears to be stuck

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MalignX
01.29.2012 , 12:24 PM | #238
Quote: Originally Posted by Touchbass View Post
I could of sworn it wasn't a word. Odd. The more you know!

P.S. Help me get my foot out of my mouth it appears to be stuck
My foot lives in my mouth, apart from the times I'm spewing hatevomit at idiot anti-LFGers. Heh.
Just because I do not care, does not mean I do not understand.

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Neiloch
01.29.2012 , 12:27 PM | #239
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Yes a Server only LFD tool will help Small guilds fill gaps. However a Cross Server LFD tool makes guilds obsolete. Just look at WoW, guilds are not raiding even as much now with a LFR tool. Most people just queue for a raid now. Fewer and fewer guilds bothering to raid together.

LFD tool should be server only.
You can't use LFR as a argument against LFD, you are reaching.

Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
I am done arguing with you Navarh. You have no logic to your arguments, you just want the game your way. Not what the game is suppose to be and what MMOs are about. If you dont like it there is the Door. To me you are a waste of time
One question. Who the HELL are you to say what MMO's are 'supposed to be?' You are one of the devs? No? Then hush. Also PLEASE explain to me how wanting to group with as many other PEOPLE as possible is NOT being social. Please point to me where it says MMO's and big successful guilds are forever tied and without one the other can not or should not exist.

I say again: If your preferred style is made obsolete because no one else is participating, all that means is those other people played that way because they had no better option, not because they preferred it.

If the only way to get groups is to smash my hand repeatedly my options are to quit or smash my hand. Just because people stick around and smash their hand to get groups doesn't mean that is their ideal way of getting groups.

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Touchbass
01.29.2012 , 12:28 PM | #240
Quote: Originally Posted by Gavin_Darkl View Post
Yes a Server only LFD tool will help Small guilds fill gaps. However a Cross Server LFD tool makes guilds obsolete. Just look at WoW, guilds are not raiding even as much now with a LFR tool. Most people just queue for a raid now. Fewer and fewer guilds bothering to raid together.

LFD tool should be server only.
I guess that means nobody likes being a guild as much as you think, shocking eh? When I was raiding back in the day I noticed tons of players in many guilds only log in for raid nights. If your guilds aren't strong enough to withstand the X-LFD and LFR then I guess it's time for those specific guilds to go.