Dungeon Finder Needed Badly

Holy Slippery Slope fallacy batman! Nobody wants to turn this game into a single player game, players who have busy active lives just want the option to group with players on a reliable basis without meandering around for hours.

Guilds have been dropping in importance over the years, not just because of X-LFD.

if you don't need it or can't afford it that_game say "okay, and we make sure that you can still play and enjoy our game"
but i don't see where "you don't need a guild to play" become "guild is not needed at all"
nice very nicee
so you tell me HOW to play? wery nice…
forbid me to do what i like? niceee
in the game? sweet…
and whant money for this? oh marvelous…

…no

it only yoouuurrss opinion, nothing more, nothing less

Don't worry brother the majority of players won't want a guild to become necessary.

Touchbass - I am going to Counter you on this. To please dont be offended if its long.

Yes A guild should be a Resource however it should be were you join to interact with other people. Join in the community of the guild, if you find the right guild you may even find yourself sitting on vent while soloing shooting the **** about the super bowl or other stuff going on. Thats the beauty of MMOs is you build social interaction and meet people that become friends for years.

You have some truth to your argument that most people that have a set schedule can benefit from a guild, and people who do not - don't fully benefit. However Players that have Odd schedules can still part take in guild events. For example I have a member that his work schedule changes on a weekly bases. 1 week he can play 3 random days, the next its 4 random days. He has no problem missing Raids and Guild events. Why because he and I are friends as well as he is friends with people in the guild. He would rather have the social interaction then randomly join groups. So Yea Real life sucks, it does not affect him in game.

If you are talking about Off hour game time like you work til 3am. I also have another friend in the guild that when he worked overnights left our WOW server for a oceanic server where it fit is schedule. It sucked but it had to be done really, I never faulted him for it he kept it touch now that he is back to some what normal life he is back with us. Some guilds Operate overnight too. On Khadgar (WoW server) we had several guilds that played from 1AM til 9AM. People join these guilds. If there is not a guild that is on your server right now that have these times, you are free to make one. Give being a GM a shot you might be surprised how many people join you

As for the "When are you schedule to hit 50" I think you joined a hardcore guild that cares about that. It really is your responsibility to find a guild that fits you. If you want to play at your own pace you need to find a guild that will not hound you to 50. My guild does not do this, we have many people that are taking their time to 50. We dont care, we are letting these players do as they wish and enjoy the game. Yes It might hurt them in the end for raiding because the day they hit 50 they might need to wait a week or 2 to raid. However we can not make every person happy, we know this and they need to understand this. They will get into a raid, its just a matter of patience

Yes there are always going to be people that try to get you to run them through content. We had a person that left the guild about 3 weeks back because we would not run him through heroic quest. 1 person was a low level, 8 people were in flashpoints and he wanted people to drop what they were doing for him. People are like this and will not change. I dont know if you got tells in WoW I sure did people begging me to run them through stuff, these were just random people not guildies. People will be people.

Your Last paragraph I will have to say some truths to this. However this is based of the guilds themselves. Each is different. The problems lye within what members allow to happen really. For example if a guild calls a run because the Main Tank does not show, thats BS. If people were to Gquit the guild for that BS then really the guild will learn to make sure they have other tanks to run the content. This reminds be of the Day I became a MT in Vanilla WoW. our top 4 tanks were a no show for a run. The guild was thinking of calling it however members threatens to leave the guild. As an officer I said no we are not going to call it, I was the 5th tank in the raid. I Main tanked ALL 9 Bosses in MC we just called it on Rag because I did not have any Dark Iron gear. All 9 bosses were 1 shotted. WHY because I was a good tank my down fall was my work schedule. I could only be on for 2 weeks worth of raids per month.

The Problem is not truly within the guilds themselves most of the time, its with the members that allow **** to happen. If guild members and guilds held players that just want to use guilds to gear up accountable, these members would shortly run out of guilds willing to accept them as members. Back in Vanilla on Khadgar there was a list of over 200 people you did not invite to your guild. There were many guilds that shared information on players among themselves. These players after some time no longer got in any reputable raiding guild.

Sorry I told you it was long. Like I said I could counter your arguments. It really comes down to doing your homework on a guild. Nothing is ever perfect. and a LFD tool that is Cross server is not what an MMO is about.

I won't be able to read through that till I get to work in 2 hours (I'm being bad I know), thank you for taking the time to write it and I assure you'll I'll read every word you wrote and give you a response

Often Times players dig themselves a hole without having to TADDLE. When I was in WoW I had GMs of guilds that came to me about players that stole loot in raids or cause drama. The My guild booted these people, we all put them on the ignore list, and so did other guilds that shared this information. Often times the players make themselves look bad on their own in Trade chat and more people Ignore them. If the LFD tool was server only and took into account the ignore list these people would have true problems getting into groups.

No guilds have only been dropping in importance since the LFD tool. Before the LFD tool existed If you didnt have a guild you did not progress in any way. Now that a LFD tool exsist and a LFR tool, there is zero need for a Guild. Might as well turn the game into a SOLO game. There is no point in it being an MMO if you do not need a guild or social interaction.

Again SOCIAL INTERACTION is the point why most people play MMOS. It is the reason why MMOs Exists.

I am done arguing with you Navarh. You have no logic to your arguments, you just want the game your way. Not what the game is suppose to be and what MMOs are about. If you dont like it there is the Door. To me you are a waste of time

I disagree. There are more Guilded people that there are Non Guilded people. You might catch 5 unguilded people in the fleet with over 180 people online.

Sorry but Guilds are the way to go with MMOs. Its the corner stone of MMOs. The problem is Players need to take part in their guilds to not allow the BS drama occur. Yea you will get the random cry baby complaining no one is doing their stuff for them. However a quick /gkick is the solution to that.

Oh look! That's this guild addict guy again, who can't understand that a LFG is more aiming at guidless players than anything.