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Both sides of the AC respec debate have legitimate points. So what's the answer?

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Both sides of the AC respec debate have legitimate points. So what's the answer?

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DarthSeidhr
01.29.2012 , 05:26 AM | #21
Quote: Originally Posted by Vinge View Post
So go on then, set out those arguments for why it should be allowed.

Personally I don't think it should be, because it would mean I'd wasted considerable time levelling bother a BH Merc and a BH Powertech - and I took a perfectly reasonable decision that if I wanted to play both ACs, I would have to level them both because this is how the class system works.
My intention is to address concerns from both sides. I see that your concern is that work you've already invested in characters subject to the current system would be wasted. Thank you.

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Jalden
01.29.2012 , 05:28 AM | #22
OP, you have still not given us a single reason to why there should be a class respec. And you present this like there are a significant part of the subscribers who request this. It is not.

As for the main reason against it:
- It reduces the choices you have to make in the game. Meaningful choices is a major part of any RPG and this game is already pretty low on them.

There are a lot of minor reasons as well:
- No point spending development time on a major but seldom requested feature.
- Would upset the balance between different class-combinations.
- Would be unfair to those who already leveled the two classes you want to combine.
- Would reduce the reason to re-roll, thus reducing the content in the game.
- Increased self sufficiency is bad for the community.

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Jalden
01.29.2012 , 05:33 AM | #23
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSeidhr View Post
My intention is to address concerns from both sides. I see that your concern is that work you've already investing in characters subject to the current system would be wasted. Thank you.
No, your intent is to convince BioWare and other players that a class respec i a good idea. There is no great debate going on that needs better structuring, just your personal minority opinion.

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DarthSeidhr
01.29.2012 , 05:35 AM | #24
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalden View Post
OP, you have still not given us a single reason to why there should be a class respec. And you present this like there are a significant part of the subscribers who request this. It is not.

As for the main reason against it:
- It reduces the choices you have to make in the game. Meaningful choices is a major part of any RPG and this game is already pretty low on them.

There are a lot of minor reasons as well:
- No point spending development time on a major but seldom requested feature.
- Would upset the balance between different class-combinations.
- Would be unfair to those who already leveled the two classes you want to combine.
- Would reduce the reason to re-roll, thus reducing the content in the game.
- Increased self sufficiency is bad for the community.
Thank you for listing your concerns. If you go back my original post you'll note that it was never my intent to give a single reason why there should or shouldn't be AC respec in this thread. I previously wrote a suggestion post on a possible way to implement AC respec, and my intent is rewrite that post, drawing from the information I gather here, in order to not only make a suggestion, but to address concerns from both sides of the aisle while I'm at it.

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chalkwhite
01.29.2012 , 05:36 AM | #25
Simple: Once you have advanced a certain class to level 10 all future characters you make (across all servers) of that class start at level 10 on the fleet.

Like in WoW once you have a level 55 you can make a Death Knight on any realm.

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Jalden
01.29.2012 , 05:37 AM | #26
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthSeidhr View Post
Thank you for listing your concerns. If you go back my original post you'll note that it was never my intent to give a single reason why there should or shouldn't be AC respec in this thread. I previously wrote a suggestion post on a possible way to implement AC respec, and my intent is rewrite that post, drawing from the information I gather here, in order to not only make a suggestion, but to address concerns from both sides of the aisle while I'm at it.
Ok, fair enough!

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illgot
01.29.2012 , 05:39 AM | #27
I think Bioware should allow for AC rescpecs as a micro-transaction. Let people pay them 20-30 dollars for an AC respec.

Allowing it or disallowing it has no effect on my game. I don't see why people are so opposed.

It's like skill respec when MMOs first came out. People were threatening to quit, they said skill respecs would ruin the MMO... guess what is standard in all MMOs now.

What people really should be asking is, even if I don't use it, how does someone else respecing their AC effect me.

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songofprecept
01.29.2012 , 05:45 AM | #28
No other mmo or game in fact lets you attain max level or anywhere inbetween and then just switch to something completely different.

There already exists the ability to respec within your class choice,that is more than enough.

Its just that simple, wheher you like it or not its just never going to be a reality.
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DarthSeidhr
01.29.2012 , 05:49 AM | #29
Quote: Originally Posted by Jalden View Post
No, your intent is to convince BioWare and other players that a class respec i a good idea. There is no great debate going on that needs better structuring, just your personal minority opinion.
I'm happy you think you know my intent. It must be wonderful to go through life with such an insightful mind. In reality, I'm not personally greatly invested in the idea of AC respecs. Whether AC respec is added will have no bearing on my enjoyment of the game or my decision to continue giving BioWare my money. This is simply an issue that I've seen brought up numerous times in threads that invariably degenerate into back and forth arguments about the same few points. Through my readings of these threads though I have gleaned a some legitimately stated concerns from both sides. I would simply like to make sure there isn't anything I'm missing before I rework my original suggestion.

If I find that new concerns are raised that make the idea of AC respec completely untenable I am more than happy to write that conclusion into my new post. I practice science in the real world, and as such I am always willing to change my mind in the face of new evidence.

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Damia-Eden
01.29.2012 , 05:50 AM | #30
Quote: Originally Posted by illgot View Post
I think Bioware should allow for AC rescpecs as a micro-transaction. Let people pay them 20-30 dollars for an AC respec.

Allowing it or disallowing it has no effect on my game. I don't see why people are so opposed.

It's like skill respec when MMOs first came out. People were threatening to quit, they said skill respecs would ruin the MMO... guess what is standard in all MMOs now.
It would probably be the only way you'd see this feature. This isn't a "does the community want?" feature. It's a "what is going to make us money." It's not going to make them money to have only four classes; so they have eight and require a choice.

The concerns you need to address are biowares which are all financial. There's no player arguments to be considered. They need us rerolling.

And they don't even have the 4 classes becase a lot of their players--like me--think it's insane to play a non-jedi in a jedi universe. I have two classes adn I don't like jedi without force leap and so, well, that's it for me. Once class, two subclasses, two factions.

This math is frightening for bioware. Any proposed solution would hurt their bottom line unless it cost money to change.