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What SWTOR will be


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drakhri
01.28.2012 , 11:28 PM | #81
Quote: Originally Posted by Xreasonz View Post
Blizzard has allways produced High quality games, im not denying that.

but wow's release was extremely buggy, i remember getting ctd's when mouseovering a mob .... it got fixed by a hotfix 2 mounths later
Wow's release was not very buggy at all. There were few bugs; most of which were server / backend problems. All games come with bugs, but you can EASILY see which companies take the time to fix the obvious ones pre-release. This game is still in beta but we're paying full price for it.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xreasonz View Post
Also got to remember that wow has had 7 years of Polishing. It wasnt after 5 years they changed the Graphics engine to be more "graphical"
The graphics were upgraded because of how long the game had been out. Using the 7 years of polish excuse is pathetic and lame. Are you implying that we should compare this game to one we could have had 7 years ago? Do you think that's a good thing? No, just no.

Quote: Originally Posted by Xreasonz View Post
i firmly believe thay did an OK job with this release, with some points i do find weird but thats debatable. And they allready adressed certain issues, so thats a good sign. More fixes to come i guess, UI changes will be comming in 1.2 according their Community movie they posted.
The release was rushed, and we're paying for it. It's unlikely the majority of the people that left due to the lack of polish will ever give this game another shot. You only get 1 chance to make a first impression. Obvious bugs should not be released in a 'finshed' product.


Having said that, I personally like the game. I also know that I'm not enough to fund this game. It takes a lot of people to fund an MMO of this nature; you should probably work on providing correct information that is more geared to what they have done wrong/right so that we can have more people playing and the MMO will survive. Blindly saying things that aren't true in order to cover up massive flaws is fail, you are hurting this game.

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Malkosha
01.28.2012 , 11:39 PM | #82
I agree with the OP.

This game will get better and better. It will be interesting what it eventually morphs into. When you look at the 800lb gorilla in the room, that game has chaged drastically from it beginings 7 years ago to the point where it no longer resembles the original game. Like it or not, things change and SWTOR will do the same. Fun times ahead!

I also love the hater trolls on these forums. They are sad sad souls who live for "forum PvP". They are in every game and are always fun to read. "Ths game will fail because of blah blah blah" has now become standard for the game community.

As far as the MMORPG community proclaiming this game dead ... I don't think so. Only the hater trolls have procliamed the game dead ... like they still do in WoW 7 years later. They use the same old arguments with the same tired old metrics. Sadly, they aren't quite as creative as they used to be which ruins the entire hater troll concept.

What I would like to see is some new hater troll material. They always whine about the same old stuff and for once, I would love to see something new. Maybe "This game will fail because the butts on female chars don't offer a subtle graduation form char body 2 and 3"? Yes, its lame but maybe a few of the hater trolls can at least get some ideas from it.

This game launched smoothly. VERY smoothly. It has a great concept and is very well put togther. This game is already a winner and will only get better. A new standard has been set ... unless of course you are a sandboxer hater troll who is looking for the next great sandbox game. Well, trolls keep looking because they are dead and will never come back. UO is that way -----> Just use the time macnine ....
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RobHouse
01.28.2012 , 11:42 PM | #83
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Using the 7 years of polish excuse is pathetic and lame. Are you implying that we should compare this game to one we could have had 7 years ago?

no i get it, you want dev's to be; after a month, as good as dev's who've been working on the same game with mostly the same teams for seven years, that seems fair... i guess.

and you want the content that wow has now thats fair too, just pay bioware an additional $400
(the two years it took wow to make some raids and BGs) and im sure they'll get right on that for you

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Dezzi
01.28.2012 , 11:44 PM | #84
Quote: Originally Posted by RobHouse View Post
no i get it, you want dev's to be; after a month, as good as dev's who've been working on the same game with mostly the same teams for seven years, that seems fair... i guess.

and you want the content that wow has now thats fair too, just pay bioware an additional $400
(the two years it took wow to make some raids and BGs) and im sure they'll get right on that for you
I will never understand this argument...

If they make a new game that can't compete with older games on the market, we're just supposed to suck it up and wait?

I'm sorry, but I'm not forking over money I could spend on a more polished, content-rich game just so the team has time to make the current game better.

You might as well pay to beta test then.

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Red_Vs_Blue
01.28.2012 , 11:48 PM | #85
Quote: Originally Posted by PeacefulViolence View Post
This will be the best MMO on the market by far soon, maybe even the best ever, all in due time, all of the haters will come crawling back... Or not, their egos are far too big to admit they were wrong.
Thus far, i am very much regretting my decision to cancel my WoW sub. I mean even at lvl 85 i still felt like i had more to do than i do in SWTOR. probably due to a lack of a rdf. I just really can not bring myself to play this game anymore.

I took prolonged breaks from WoW before, but when i logged on i was on for at least an hour, i can barely stay logged on for 15 minutes in this game now. Lvling was nice at first "voiceovers" and what not, and also how it appears as though your decisions have a real impact, that is awesome. But all the loading screens, and the very linear nature of most zones just kills it.

WoW may be old, but there sure as heck were less loading screens (is it like 3-5 minimum just to zone into a planet?), with many more polished items. I mean Wotlk had a rdf and SWTOR could have at least used the RDF tool WoW had in bc/wotlk (a step or two higher than what we have), or allow addons. Addons are such a no-brainer.

I do hope SWTOR will become better, but i am not holding my breath. I probably won't go back to WoW because I just don't go back to games for which i have cancelled my sub for. Like with BF3, i got a refund for it, i miss it, but i won't spend 60 bucks again. Just my 2 cents.

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Orkayl
01.28.2012 , 11:50 PM | #86
Quote: Originally Posted by Dezzi View Post
I will never understand this argument...

If they make a new game that can't compete with older games on the market, we're just supposed to suck it up and wait?

I'm sorry, but I'm not forking over money I could spend in a more polished, content-rich game to play one that's lacking just because it's new.
I never will understand why people feel the need to apologize for a company that is charging you money for a service. Then tell you that it's your fault for not waiting for the service to be worth what they charge for it.

Biodrones are so ridiculous.

*Disclaimer: other games' rabid fans are also ridiculous.

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Darththalas
01.28.2012 , 11:51 PM | #87
The game is great, but people will have to be patient. The forums aren't going to give much of a positive response, but I am currently loving this game. It is a huge relief after playing WoW for six years and many other MMOs for years/months. This game has hardly been out a month and people try to say it is a failure. I never worry about that, because every single game is a "failure" to the forums it seems. I really do hope SWTOR becomes the next MMO to gain twelve million subscribers.

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Minguss
01.28.2012 , 11:57 PM | #88
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Orkayl
01.28.2012 , 11:59 PM | #89
Quote: Originally Posted by Darththalas View Post
The game is great, but people will have to be patient. The forums aren't going to give much of a positive response, but I am currently loving this game. It is a huge relief after playing WoW for six years and many other MMOs for years/months. This game has hardly been out a month and people try to say it is a failure. I never worry about that, because every single game is a "failure" to the forums it seems. I really do hope SWTOR becomes the next MMO to gain twelve million subscribers.
Why? The game engine goes apoplectic any time there are more than a dozen or so people in the same area as you as it is.

How are people gonna stick with a game when you can complete the content (or the vast majority of it) in a month or two?

This game probably should have been B2P with DLC or something. As it stands it is not worth a monthly fee.

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Ebbikenezer
01.29.2012 , 12:00 AM | #90
Quote: Originally Posted by Mekrath View Post
I remember seeing posts like this in the Vangard: SoH forum not long after release.
I remember seeing all of these same exact negative comments running rampant right when WoW launched.

Hmmm.

Yeah, see... it's all speculation unless you have a time machine. In which case we would have ceased to exist.
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