No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

All I know is there are 14 people on my "don't group with list". And anyone who uses need in a manner from which I don't agree are going on it as well.

If the majority of the community is against this sort of thing, eventually it will begin to show it's effects. If the majority of the community doesn't care, then it will basically be those who are fine with doing their thing and those who aren't doing there own thing.

Pretty much none of the top raiding guilds are going to go for this because of the very nature of that type of group. On the other hand, most of the very casual players with many alts who are sort of playing this as KOTOR 3 will have no problems with it.

As far as the OP goes : I have no problems with a person needing something for their char, be that looks, stats, or mods, as long as you can actually use it now. Don't loot for a companion you are getting in 10 levels. Don't loot for an enhancement when the rest of the piece is heavy armor and you wear light and have no intentions of using anything but that enhancement.

Also, most of the orange gear from the FP is neat looking and will start fights. Agree on firm loot rules in the beginning and you will have less problems.

Yes, everyone has their own opinion, you are correct.

Yours is that of the minority.

I think looting processes should be as follows.

If your character IN THE GROUP present at that time of looting can use the item as it is a direct upgrade then any players in that group to whom that item applies role need, all others pass/greed.

If all four can use it, then greed it.

Really loot should be class specific to begin with to avoid the unnecessary drama.

All gear for companions and alts is superfluous and up to the player to obtain on their own time.

Personally there shouldn't be a need/greed option.

I miss the days of party treasure. To be divided post instance. This "bound" crap is simply absurd. Either class or not class, if MMOs want to limit classes.

Frankly I don't like that you can't have Str and Wpw, or Cunning and Aim together among other stats.

All characters on some level have all those stats.

The irony I find amusing is that Force users use force powers right? So how is it Willpower specced to only one force using class? Really?

meh anyway...off to kill ****.

You're saying what I already has been posting all the time...

You can go with the logic that you can roll anything on anything. It's a solid argument in itself.

Social contract is completely informal. You can or not go with its rules. People simply follow it because it's beneficial for all those involved when it comes down to rolling for specific items. If someone thinks otherwise - and (s)he has right to do so - then it can cause problems.

Why, you will ask? Because when I know that someone will play by the rules we all know then there is no problem - we all know where we stand and I can trust that the other people in my group will do the same. People taking need for a companion over another player or for looks are unpredictable. You can't tell if (s)he will take need, greed or pass on the loot.

It's best to avoid that kind of people if you're not fine with their actions. There are no rules other than dice roll with them (because they'll make claim on anything they see fit) and I'd rather like to go with someone who accept social contract. I know what to expect and there is bigger chance for me to get items that suit my class.

No it is courteous because you do not NEED it to improve your character's ability in combat. It is courteous to ask if it is cool for you to roll need on an item that utilizes stats that your class does not need. A simple "Hey that thing would look hawt on me I'd like to roll need on it and swap the mods out with ones for my class.

It is sad these things have to be explained to you.

Oh quit the grief guys, it doesn't matter to me if you need or not!

Not that I have done this, but If gear drops that a companion I have can use, why should I care about you! Companions are a focal point of gameplay and not a choice, BTW, so you guys need to get out of your old thinking patterns. Whether it be modable gear or mods in gear, if I have a companion that can use it why should I be restricted to your "mains" needs. BW should have thought about that when they created this game and created a better loot system.

Also, if you establish loot rules ahead of a PUG whats the issue?

No its not the consensus as these multiple threads on this issue prove.

I think we need a new category, "Need for Companion/Appearance" for "secondary" upgrades that should be prioritized behind "need" and ahead of "greed".

It is not greedy to want to improve the appearance of your character or to ensure your companions are geared, but most people don't want to grab good gear for secondary purposes that would be a major upgrade for someone else (both because they are nice people and because they don't want to start an hour of loot drama).

However, under the current system, if you don't press need, there is a good chance that the item will just get vendored, because everyone else will press Greed. Having a second category would let people that can make the best use of it get priority, while those that can make some use of it will still be ahead of people that don't care and just want the credits from whatever is left over.

Companions/Orange gear just don't fit comfortably under "Need" or "Greed", no matter how much people want to insist that they do. Orange gear can be used until the end of the game, while most loot will be outleveled in a few days. It is arguable in this case that appearance is in fact more important than stats. Companions use the same gear as the rest of us and, for at least some people, keeping their gear up-to-date is vital. They are part of your character and are necessary for the leveling process (unless you group or PVP all the time).

The three buttons could be labelled "Need" "Need for Companion/Appearance" "Need for Credits", or even something as simple as "Need" "Want" "Don't Care".

Count the posters on each side. The overwhelming majority believe that needing on gear you can't use, but someone else can, is not cool.

NO ARGUMENT YOU HAVE WILL CONVINCE ME TO BECOME AN IGNORANT, THIEVING, GREEDY LITTLE NINJA LOOTER. END. OF. STORY.

I agree. The discussion is about what "can't use" means.

- If my companion can use it, "I" can use it
- If I can wear the armor, "I" can use it.

In any case, it isn't about "can use", it is about "is it an upgrade?". If it isn't an upgrade to you or your companion, you shouldn't roll need. Does upgrading appearance count? Under discussion.

On orange armor, taking the armor mod out of your current piece and inserting it in the new piece fixes the stat problem. However, A +Cunning person that wants a non-orange +Aim item to wear himself should probably press Greed.

Whether or not you agree on pressing need for orange/companions, doesn't change the fact if the roll is won, these items will certainly "be used". The question is whether it is an allowable use.