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Massive amounts of trading on illum

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Jarreth
01.28.2012 , 02:16 PM | #51
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Or do it the way we want?
Right. Whine about a broken system by participating in the broken system.

GENIUS!

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You do realize that morality is entirely based on perceptions, and just because you nerd rage about it, doesn't mean your perception is the right one.
Oh right. How could I forget. "Morality is entirely based on perceptions". So I guess murder is morally acceptable?

And by the by? My perception of "playing the game" to "play the game" is the right one. Keep justifying exploits by claiming that I'm "nerdraging" about them. Heavens forbid that someone actually want people to come by their rewards honestly.

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Makar
01.28.2012 , 02:20 PM | #52
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Right. Whine about a broken system by participating in the broken system.

GENIUS!
No, whine about the broken system by posting on the forums, finish my PVP dailies for tokens by participating in the broken system.


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Oh right. How could I forget. "Morality is entirely based on perceptions". So I guess murder is morally acceptable?

And by the by? My perception of "playing the game" to "play the game" is the right one. Keep justifying exploits by claiming that I'm "nerdraging" about them. Heavens forbid that someone actually want people to come by their rewards honestly.
In some instances murder is actually morally justifiable, and your lack of anything but crying because disagree with you, or work around a system that has little impact on you personally is just sad. I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and come back when you can create at least one intelligent thought.
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Jarreth
01.28.2012 , 02:29 PM | #53
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No, whine about the broken system by posting on the forums, finish my PVP dailies for tokens by participating in the broken system.
"Fix the system I'm participating in!"
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In some instances murder is actually morally justifiable
Bzzt. The whole point of the word "murder" is that it is never morally justifiable. Since you seem to consider yourself an "intellectual", I would assume that you could understand that given the fact that the word "murder" has always been utilized for actions which cannot be justified.

Although I assume you're also going to go into the whole "But if someone murdered Hitler, it's justified!" anecdote.
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and your lack of anything but crying because disagree with you,
You know, this is the kind of garbage that I hate on forums.

Anytime you refute someone's statements, they always come back with "stop crying!" or "umadbro?".
Your opinion matters so very little to me it is not even measurable. I'm posting here because this is a topic that bothers me.
I like The Old Republic. I like pvping on it. What I don't like is continually being matched against the people sitting in a corner trading kills.
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or work around a system that has little impact on you personally is just sad.
I pvp. I am stuck facing these people getting geared out by doing nothing.
That does impact "me personally". I'm being punished because I refuse to "work around a system".
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I suggest you take a deep breath, calm down, and come back when you can create at least one intelligent thought.
Really? You think I'm actively shouting at my PC because you're posting here making your little justifications?

You have a very high opinion of yourself.

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Makar
01.28.2012 , 02:34 PM | #54
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"Fix the system I'm participating in!"
Yes, fix the broken game I'm paying for, I don't understand the problem.

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Bzzt. The whole point of the word "murder" is that it is never morally justifiable. Since you seem to consider yourself an "intellectual", I would assume that you could understand that given the fact that the word "murder" has always been utilized for actions which cannot be justified.

Although I assume you're also going to go into the whole "But if someone murdered Hitler, it's justified!" anecdote.
Murder is actually an unlawful killing, not necessarily an immoral one... There is a difference.

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You know, this is the kind of garbage that I hate on forums.

Anytime you refute someone's statements, they always come back with "stop crying!" or "umadbro?".
Your opinion matters so very little to me it is not even measurable. I'm posting here because this is a topic that bothers me.
I like The Old Republic. I like pvping on it. What I don't like is continually being matched against the people sitting in a corner trading kills.
Maybe people will tell you to stop crying if you... stopped crying. As to your dislike of being matched against traders, to quote you: "DON'T DO IT"

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I pvp. I am stuck facing these people getting geared out by doing nothing.
That does impact "me personally". I'm being punished because I refuse to "work around a system".
You're being punished for not pursuing other avenues to gear up, and instead sit here and whine about other people.

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Really? You think I'm actively shouting at my PC because you're posting here making your little justifications?

You have a very high opinion of yourself.
No, I just have a very low opinion of you.
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xNonphixionx
01.28.2012 , 02:38 PM | #55
Honestly...The community is so obsessed with "rewards" that they forgot why they even PVP...To PVP!!!

I miss the old days where people would PVP for the sake of PVP. I'm sorry but if your name is red I am killing you. Call me oldschool.

Honestly if people werent windowlicking carebears the original Ilum would have been fine. But people insisted on exploiting the game's mechanics simply to get the rewards quicker. It's really something that cannot be prevented with the modern mmo community. Everyone wants easy rewards and will do whatever it takes to make it easier.

The current state of Ilum has absolutely nothing to due with Biowares design and everything to do with the community being complete carebears bent on "phat lewtz".

I know one guy that complains every day about how he only has 1 piece of champ gear and he's only ever opened 3 champ bags and hardly ever PVP's. It's a prime example of the current generation of mmo gamers. Joe the Plumber wants everything that Tammy the ****** has without jumping through any of the same hoops.

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Makar
01.28.2012 , 02:40 PM | #56
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Honestly...The community is so obsessed with "rewards" that they forgot why they even PVP...To PVP!!!

I miss the old days where people would PVP for the sake of PVP. I'm sorry but if your name is red I am killing you. Call me oldschool.

Honestly if people werent windowlicking carebears the original Ilum would have been fine. But people insisted on exploiting the game's mechanics simply to get the rewards quicker. It's really something that cannot be prevented with the modern mmo community. Everyone wants easy rewards and will do whatever it takes to make it easier.

The current state of Ilum has absolutely nothing to due with Biowares design and everything to do with the community being complete carebears bent on "phat lewtz".
The current state of Illum has everything to do with the design, and population balances... There's no sense PVPing to PVP when you haven't even the slightest chance of killing one out of the 5 people attacking you.
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xNonphixionx
01.28.2012 , 02:43 PM | #57
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The current state of Illum has everything to do with the design, and population balances... There's no sense PVPing to PVP when you haven't even the slightest chance of killing one out of the 5 people attacking you.
And Bioware is supposed to do what? Force everyone to play Republic? Again...That's the community being windowlickers.

By the way my server is extremely balanced. Maybe reroll there. Ilum is back and forth every day. Mind you we can destroy a group of 20 republics with a guild group of 6-10 people.

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Makar
01.28.2012 , 02:45 PM | #58
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And Bioware is supposed to do what? Force everyone to play Republic? Again...That's the community being windowlickers.

By the way my server is extremely balanced. Maybe reroll there. Ilum is back and forth every day. Mind you we can destroy a group of 20 republics with a guild group of 6-10 people.
Cap the amount of people that can enter the zone, give incentives for people to play the lower pop faction, design Illum so we're not all gravitating towards one point in the hopes of getting an arm with a slow respawn rate... There's literally dozens of ideas on how to make this better, maybe not necessarily fix, but even an improvement would be welcomed.
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zugumbamamba
01.28.2012 , 03:25 PM | #59
I think there should be an Open world pvp area in every planet with valuable resources like purple crafting mats or unique schematics, something to fight for and a window of time that this area is vulnerable to being captured so that every hour or so people had to fight for it. put in some champions with plenty of life of the faction who is currently controlling the area/base/outpost to prevent people from easily taking it. maybe have guilds owning fortress and upgrading it's defenses and warring against opposing faction guilds.

of course any kind of mass PvP in this game will only work when they fix the massive FPS issues their engine has with many players on screen.

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DurdensWrath
01.29.2012 , 12:37 AM | #60
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Cap the amount of people that can enter the zone, give incentives for people to play the lower pop faction, design Illum so we're not all gravitating towards one point in the hopes of getting an arm with a slow respawn rate... There's literally dozens of ideas on how to make this better, maybe not necessarily fix, but even an improvement would be welcomed.
Make it so that the Jedi aren't tossing pebbles. Because that's sure going to get people to roll Republic.

Or close any new Empire character creation till balance is achieved.

I personally can't blame people for trading wins, considering how broken premades and geared 50's make warzones.