NO Addons please. There is another solution!

It's not about not liking add-ons. It's about not liking YOU with add-ons. Power-tripping stat-obsessed destructively-risk-averse project managers are not something I'll tolerate in a workplace. Why would I want to deal with it when I'm trying to have fun?

Giving stupid people the ability to scan strangers for numbers they don't need/can't interpret properly anyway results in bad behavior and a priggish slide into "the serious" crowd all having doing, and expecting everybody else to have and do the same things.

Using/not using it doesn't solve problem for me. YOU using it is my problem.

DPS dummies are a great idea. So are after-action reports. But we don't need nerd-gatekeepers at every flashpoint.

Yes - numbers are fun to some people, maybe not to you, but that's ok with me.

Not only is a chart at the end of a flashpoint insignificant as it only shows overall numbers - something no one really cares about - but dps meters also come in very handy when you evaluate your own spec. Right now for most classes there is no way to tell which one really is the best and while they're feeling close I'm someone who wants to know. Especially when in terms of fun there is no difference I'd like to chose the best spec.

Combat logs and meters are the basis of theorycraft and this is what kept WoW alive for such a long time. Right now we only have the starting raid tier and I'd suspect the upcoming ones increasy drastically in difficulty and when that happens you really want to be able to analyze your performance and that of your raid through better operations than your gut feeling.

On a side note - outside of my raid where people join to perform and clear content I never gave a **** about other peoples rankings in any meters as long as it isn't apperant that they are just lazy slackers who want to get carried through an instance. (LFR comes to mind here.)

10/10. couldn't agree more.

you, sir, are my hero! thank you for putting, so eloquently, my feelings! =D

The correct term for male genitals is flagged as a swear word?

Now that's just sad.


Let's try this ... people who's behavior is phallic because of phallus meters will be like that with and without any justification through ingame numbers.
Actually damage meters could help with that as more often than not those exact people arn't as great of a player as they think.

On the other hand if you enjoy LFR-style gameplay goind afk midfight and still expect to get loot ... then I will be in your face as a raid leader and I will be right to do so.

Spot on.

Looks to me like we are getting customization. not addons, thank the maker.

Wow went from being a video game, to a series of on screen prompts. No need to watch the boss, a big warning will come up telling you what to do! That is ridiculous!

Im having so much fun not know what is coming in these fights and having to learn and adapt to the situation. Im loving being a tank and having to watch every single enemy and see if one turns away from me. I dont want to know when someone is gaining on my threat, its a rush when the **** hits the fan. and we scramble and end up succeeding.

As far as damage meters go, its pretty easy to tell when DPS isnt doing their job...**** doesnt die quick enough. Multiple times last night I had to tell DPS to step it up, I didnt single one guy out, making him feel bad, and ruining his night, I adressed them all, and you know what. They did. Everyone has room for improvment. Singling one guy out doesn nothing but create needless tension amongst friends.

And the ops, FP, and raids do not require huge numbers, so there is no reason you cant join a casual guild to find a group to run with. So saying we need them for pugs isnt good enough. All these tools to judge DPS, gearscore, heals, threat had a place, but they were abused so bad, and got out of hand. People doing massive AOE and using it as some barometer of how leet they were, GS causing people not to allow players into content they were more than geared enough, because some douchnozzle thinks you need to be 2 gear lvls above a raid so you can sleep through it!

Bioware has incorporated most of the addons I would want anyway. The only things I want added are some kind of a buff/proc bar I can move near my targets so I dont have to squint at the little symbols above my own bar, and added movable bars.

With all that said, I could live with personal damage meters, but would prefer a simple combat log. I worry that even personal combat meters will lead to the "spec this or you cant come" mentallity. A good player, can take any viable build and succeed with it.

I'm fine with not having addons. I just think threat meters would be particularly useful. It plays a massive part in bosses, and yet you can't see it. I mean DPS don't realise they're over aggroing until it's too late, and tanks don't realise they're losing aggro until it's too late. Can you go with out it? Yeah, you can, but it would make life easier.

DPS and heal meters... Meh, I don't think they're quite as necessary, it's only really a way of telling who's slacking off and even then it doesn't take into account different classes.

[QUOTE=Aikagi;2262220]I'm fine with not having addons. I just think threat meters would be particularly useful. It plays a massive part in bosses, and yet you can't see it. I mean DPS don't realise they're over aggroing until it's too late, and tanks don't realise they're losing aggro until it's too late. Can you go with out it? Yeah, you can, but it would make life easier.[QUOTE]

What happens then is people dont properly learn to play. They just stare at a meter till it reaches a point and then dump aggro. For anyone who has played without these things, you learn when to dump, and when to burst. Its part of the skill set a DPS player gains as he gets better. People are SOOO scared to wipe these days. Failure is a part of life, without it we learn nothing.

I understand it would make it easier, but it also takes a lot of the fun out of the game. I used to love the rush I got in vanilla wow as DPS in MC. .You had to learn to control your damage, and work with the tank, it was a blast, and when i screwed up, i got one shot. Very quickly I learned not to screw up!

I think the issue is, a lot of people don't learn to play properly even without them!

I was an healer in Vanilla WoW, so I can't really comment much on how it was in that, bar the occasional over-aggro which would cause a wipe.

The current interface is suboptimal in a lot of ways.

While it's entirely possible to "adapt" to not being able to tell which buff/debuff on a target is mine, it's tedious, annoying, frustrating and error prone.

It's also possible to heal with the current interface with "click, press button" (Or in my case "click, move mouse since abilities bound to mouse buttons don't fire if they're on a unit frame, press button") but it's tedious, annoying, frustrating and error prone.

Having a report pop up at the end of a flashpoint is mostly worthless. The information is most valuable and relevant immediately after things go wrong so that the reason for failure can be identified and corrected. Having an accurate record of what occurred provides this information while a general summary does not.

Regardless of if you like it or not, the game at it's core is all about numbers. Success is attained in the vast majority of contexts by making the numbers in red that appear over your head small, the numbers appearing over the mob you are fighting big, and or the numbers in green appearing over your group member's heads greater than or equal to the number that they're missing on a red bar. Fail at any of these things, and you and or your group fail. A non-negligible fraction of the community would like to be able to better visualize these numbers.

If I were to guess, I would say a non-negligible fraction of the community would find whatever UI customization they add to be inadequate to alter things to their exact liking. Given that developer resources are finite, I personally would suspect that allowing the community to add, extend, or alter features (within limitations set by the developers) would lead to a richer game experience.

Under-qualified under-performing employees are not something most people tolerate in a workplace. Why would I want to deal with it when I'm trying to have fun?

Wiping up to a > 50k repair bill in a HM BT pug because people consistently failed to meet the enrage timers is not fun. Yes, I should have left earlier, but it was at an odd hour and I wanted to get the daily done. Given tools to visualize what was going on, I could have made my decision to leave much sooner. (And before anyone says it, I was healing, and the tank was under geared to the point where any time taken off healing to DPS would have resulted in death.)

Fun fact. Ops in this game have a big warning that comes up telling you what happens. "What's this? Gharj is about to Pounce in red letters across the middle of my screen? I guess I should move!"

Some background. Along with some friends we put together a few PUG ops during the week (Everything but HM SoA till we can move onto nightmare modes. Not spectacular compared to some people but I'm happy with where we are at.).

If someone isn't doing their job, it's their night vs seven other people's night that's going to end up being "ruined". Between those two options, I would much rather prefer to be able to identify the single person and address the issue at the root cause. If I'm not doing my job, I would rather have accurate tools that indicate how I'm failing so that I can avoid ruining 7 people's night.

For the raids we've put together so far, we've been mostly blessed with quality people (when we had to extend out of our combined friends lists), but these situations do arise and as for one, I feel the information would be a useful asset in assisting us clear and learn content.