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Restepor

01.27.2012 , 09:55 PM \| #91	Quote
Sure he may be a shell of himself, I'm more just mad that he didn't get the justice he deserved as a character. That's probably my biggest gripe with this, Revan just doesn't feel like Revan. Also he shouldn't die, defeated, by some guys. It should have been some heroic sacrifice or something instead.
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Fyurii

01.28.2012 , 04:30 PM \| #92	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Restepor Sure he may be a shell of himself, I'm more just mad that he didn't get the justice he deserved as a character. What precisely would you have preferred? Quote: That's probably my biggest gripe with this, Revan just doesn't feel like Revan. Revan will never feel like Revan, except when playing KoTOR. He had no face except for what we gave him, no real voice (aside from audio cues when he performed some player directed action), and most of the details about him had been "shrouded in mystery". He was us and we were him. As time went on after KoTOR, he became less and less "us", and more someone else's character. Quote: Also he shouldn't die, defeated, by some guys. It should have been some heroic sacrifice or something instead. He wasn't defeated by some guys. He was defeated by the best of the best. The best Sith Warrior, Inquisitor, Agent, and Bounty Hunter the Galaxy had known. Just as the Best of the Jedi, the greatest Smuggler, and the leader of Havoc Squad were responsible for freeing him in the first place. Surely the fact that it took all four of them to defeat him should stand as a testament to his prowess for the fans & fanboys? Gameplay and game mechanics do not equal the lore and canon, for any game. Even an MMO. If they did, then the Exile could have wiped the floor with Revan, Malgus, Vitiate, the whole Sith Empire even. That's how powerful you could make her in KoTOR2, that no single battle would require any effort on our part. Hell, not even the game version of Galen Marek could stand up to her. See how ridiculous it is when we mix game mechanics and lore? That's why they never get mixed together, it just ends up like the ol' "OVER 9000?!" scenario.
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_Zorth_

01.28.2012 , 05:04 PM \| #93	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Fyurii What precisely would you have preferred? Revan will never feel like Revan, except when playing KoTOR. He had no face except for what we gave him, no real voice (aside from audio cues when he performed some player directed action), and most of the details about him had been "shrouded in mystery". He was us and we were him. As time went on after KoTOR, he became less and less "us", and more someone else's character. He wasn't defeated by some guys. He was defeated by the best of the best. The best Sith Warrior, Inquisitor, Agent, and Bounty Hunter the Galaxy had known. Just as the Best of the Jedi, the greatest Smuggler, and the leader of Havoc Squad were responsible for freeing him in the first place. Surely the fact that it took all four of them to defeat him should stand as a testament to his prowess for the fans & fanboys? Gameplay and game mechanics do not equal the lore and canon, for any game. Even an MMO. If they did, then the Exile could have wiped the floor with Revan, Malgus, Vitiate, the whole Sith Empire even. That's how powerful you could make her in KoTOR2, that no single battle would require any effort on our part. Hell, not even the game version of Galen Marek could stand up to her. See how ridiculous it is when we mix game mechanics and lore? That's why they never get mixed together, it just ends up like the ol' "OVER 9000?!" scenario. Best post I've seen to explain all of this..
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Stellatus

01.28.2012 , 11:42 PM \| #94	Quote
The whole point of the Foundry and of killing Revan was to illustrate the fact that Revan, for all his power, was still only but the tip of the iceberg and the herald of a far greater, far more malevolent power hiding in the unknown regions. He is insignificant next to the power held by that empire and its greatest Sith, and as we are meant to portray those greatest Sith, we kill him. You have to get over your fanboy crush on an otherwise meaningless character. It is a story, it doesn't always end how you want it to.
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Kaskava

01.29.2012 , 01:10 AM \| #95	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMoord The Star Forge wasn't a force power amplification system, the Star Forge fed on the Force. Pretty much this. What allowed Revan to accomplish as much as he did (post-Mandalorian Wars) were the various bits of technology that he found that belonged to the Rakata, a very Sith-like race. Second to that was his charisma. If you look at what he actually accomplished on his own in KOTOR, the only remotely impressive thing Revan did was to take down Malak one-on-one. Otherwise, he was always in the company of others. Hell, the only reason he was turned back to the Light was because Malak fired on Revan's ship when the Jedi strike team attacked. Want to know what would happen if you did that to Vitiate? He'd move to another body, get pissed, then kill you. Assuming he didn't kill you before you even gave the order. Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMoord What can Revan do to compare to Nihilus' ability to purge planets of life? I wouldn't call what Nihilus did to be a sign of power. Power implies that he could control it. Nihilus was in a permanent state of starvation. Much like the wendigo that I'm convinced he's modeled after, the more he fed, the hungrier he got, the less aware and concerned of everything else he was.
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DarthMoord

01.29.2012 , 01:41 AM \| #96	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by havok_bloodcraft I could write a book about a guy 1 million times as powerful as revan, vitiate, palpatine, caesius, or luke has been built up to and then tell you this new guy is better. Only if the licensing department of Lucasfilm gave you their consent. Quote: how about we stick to things with the lucas arts approval at least Lucas Arts is not in charge of determining canon, that is Lucasfilm. And I'm sorry to tell you the series those events and abilities are showcase (Dark Empire) is approved by Lucasfilm; even more distressing for you I'm sure is that George Lucas liked DE so much that he gave it out to all of Lucasfilm's employees as a gift on Christmas the year it came out.
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havok_bloodcraft

01.29.2012 , 05:56 PM \| #97	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by DarthMoord Only if the licensing department of Lucasfilm gave you their consent. Lucas Arts is not in charge of determining canon, that is Lucasfilm. And I'm sorry to tell you the series those events and abilities are showcase (Dark Empire) is approved by Lucasfilm; even more distressing for you I'm sure is that George Lucas liked DE so much that he gave it out to all of Lucasfilm's employees as a gift on Christmas the year it came out. They would give consent so long as it was entertaining regardless of content because they like money. And Lucas has repeatedly stated he has not read nor does he like the EU, as it is not part of his vision.
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Fyurii

01.29.2012 , 10:35 PM \| #98	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by havok_bloodcraft They would give consent so long as it was entertaining regardless of content because they like money. Absolutely. That, and Lucas signs off on it. Which he does a lot of the time, then decides to change things so it's "part of his vision".... Dollar signs. And Lucas has repeatedly stated he has not read nor does he like the EU, as it is not part of his vision.[/QUOTE] Yet he's happy enough to use it when it suits him. Coruscant, Aayla Secura etc etc... That's part of Leland Chee's job as head of The Holocron. Lucas has an idea, asks him if anyone else has done somthing similar, and if he likes it he uses it.
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DarthMoord

01.30.2012 , 12:47 AM \| #99	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by havok_bloodcraft They would give consent so long as it was entertaining regardless of content because they like money. Irrelevant. LFL own the copyright, they determine what is canon. Quote: And Lucas has repeatedly stated he has not read nor does he like the EU, as it is not part of his vision. No he hasn't. He said he doesn't follow the EU, meaning he doesn't personally read every piece of literature that comes out. George Lucas created a sandbox for other creators to play in, it doesn't need to be a part of his personal vision to be canon.
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Kalliadies

01.30.2012 , 03:35 PM \| #100	Quote
Some pretty niave posters here. Especially about the lightside and the darkside. These are nothing but "religions" with their own rules and creeds. These are heeded only by choice. darkside powers, lightside powers are the force. The real distinction between light and dark comes with how they are used (motivation, intention) and whether that power is controlled. And that stupid quote that keeps being about the dark path forever dominating your destiny, has nothing to do with using darkside powers, its about darkside powers using/consuming the user. Many Force users use both, Revan, Kyle Katarn, Jaiden, Anakin, Luke and the list goes on

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