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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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StonySpider
01.27.2012 , 05:22 PM | #1291
Quote: Originally Posted by samht View Post
I hate guilds that use a roll system because it's luck and sometimes you just end up gearing ppl before they move to guild that uses a better system.
You mean sometimes jerks use other people for their own purposes? Yes, I completely agree. And those people should be ashamed.

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Grecanis
01.27.2012 , 05:22 PM | #1292
Quote: Originally Posted by Matte_Black View Post
I'd say as long you had the discussion about what is acceptable looting beforehand, fire away if they break that agreement. If you are gonna grief someone over breaking an unstated rule, you are also outing yourself as a short-sighted jerk.
Feigning ignorance to justify poor behavior makes that person the jerk ..short-sighted or otherwise.

They deserve to be called out.

IMHO
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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 05:22 PM | #1293
Quote: Originally Posted by StonySpider View Post
Yes, absolutely. The person who needs it the most gets it. If I'm in an FP with another Sage and I see the item that just dropped is a 20 willpower boost compared to the 5 willpower boost I'd get for completing it, they should ABSOLUTELY get that item. I just thought it was an unspoken thing, really.
No, it isn't. I'm not there to help others get items. If it's for my class and it's an upgrade at all, I'm rolling Need for it. If it's not for my class but it's still an upgrade for me or my companion (whether due to mods or the item itself), I'm rolling Need on it. The only way I'm going to roll Greed on something is if it isn't an upgrade for a companion or myself in some fashion.

If it's an orange item with three mods I don't make use of, but it has a look that I like and matches my armor type, I'll roll Need on it, and strip the mods out, replacing them with class-appropriate mods.

I'm in there to cooperate in downing bosses for a shot at loot that I can use. Many others are as well, and should have no issues in rolling on things they want.

That is what Need Before Greed is: if you want it, you roll Need. If you'd like it, but would be perfectly fine with someone else getting it, you roll Greed.
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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 05:23 PM | #1294
Quote: Originally Posted by samht View Post
I agree, unless there is grind roles, definition of need varies. Also, I think veteran players forget that because there so use to the unwritten laws. I know in wow there almost an unwritten law that states rolling need for off spec is nijaing but as the 5 mans become older ppl don't qq. As much but then again I tell ppl I am only rolling off spec I can leave if you don't like it.Sometimes ppl r like you can roll on anything u want except this
-nods-

I've played these types of games since MUDS, and looting and looting rules have ALWAYS been one of the biggest sticky points in every game. Variations of NBG are always put in place, but there are always disagreements.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 05:23 PM | #1295
Quote: Originally Posted by Grecanis View Post
Feigning ignorance to justify poor behavior makes that person the jerk ..short-sighted or otherwise.

They deserve to be called out.

IMHO
What ignorance exactly ?
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01.27.2012 , 05:23 PM | #1296
Quote: Originally Posted by chton View Post
But I don't need your social contract. And I don't need anyone to "give up" loot for me. Since I don't expect anyone to give up anything for me, why would I give anything up for them?
Because empathy, compassion and respect for equals are traits that a community, even an online one, collapses without?

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 05:24 PM | #1297
Quote: Originally Posted by StonySpider View Post
Because empathy, compassion and respect for equals are traits that a community, even an online one, collapses without?
Why is it "empathy, compassion and respect for equals" when you're rolling on what you want, but "greed" when someone else is rolling on what they want?
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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 05:25 PM | #1298
Quote: Originally Posted by ClyntKeelan View Post
Reading this thread it's obvious that I'm far from alone in being upset about selfish Loot Snatchers. I think from now on I'm gonna warn any group I'm in that Loot Snatching will be rewarded with instantaneous Healer-Quit. Middle of the FP or not.

The good thing is you can see who's doing it - it's right there on the chat window.
Yup, thats the wise thing to do, talk about looting before you start.

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Grecanis
01.27.2012 , 05:28 PM | #1299
Quote: Originally Posted by chton View Post
But I don't need your social contract. And I don't need anyone to "give up" loot for me. Since I don't expect anyone to give up anything for me, why would I give anything up for them?
Because it's the right thing to do.
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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 05:28 PM | #1300
Quote: Originally Posted by StonySpider View Post
Yes, absolutely. The person who needs it the most gets it.
Fair enough, if that's the rules you want to go by, more power to you. However...

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I just thought it was an unspoken thing, really.
This his far from true. Not everyone is going to agree with you on this. Even in WoW which so many base their opinions on, not everyone agreed that you could only roll need if it gave you the biggest boost.

A lot of drama I saw was based on the idea that someone needed the item more, because it was a bigger upgrade, so they were robbed out of it.

But taking your logic. If the item is a bigger upgrade for my companion the it is any other character, doesn't that mean I have a greater claim on it?