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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 04:58 PM | #1271
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
The more people that approach the loot concept like the poster I mentioned the higher the percentage of the events unfolding taking place.

I have no idea why we are failing BUT I can see a direct correlation between the attitude towards loot being 'free for all' to the detriment of the whole and failing a mission.

Yes, it is hypothetical but not completely out of left field given the opinions expressed in this thread.
I think that's a major part of it: we aren't failing, not that I can see on my server at least. People are grouping, people are finishing content, and I've yet to hear a single person in any zone, including Fleet or Kaas City, calling out loot ninjas as a warning to the server community. Given that I'm on an RP realm, community tends to tighten up quite a bit so people can tell cohesive stories, so things like this would become fairly obvious in a rapid fashion.

But all that does is provide anecdotal evidence that the dire predictions of ostracization for purported ninjas isn't (yet) occurring.
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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:59 PM | #1272
Quote: Originally Posted by samht View Post
I know exactly why ppl roll. Need on gear that they can't use and this is the same reason why bioware will never put in classs based roll system...

Drum roll plz

To gear their companion --> plain an simple

Ppl will use all kinds of excuse for why but the true story is companion. I had an by say her aim was tOo high so she wanted to stack some cunning.. But mako uses cunning so she kept rolling need on both cunnIng and aim gear but swore it was for herself


Unfortunatly, until there is a cross-realm lfg tool ppl will put up with because it takes too long to replace Group member, this even more true for republic.

Signed pro choice on lfg tool
You need to accept, that there is no 'excuse' at all. People roll how they want because it is their entitlement to do so.
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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 04:59 PM | #1273
Quote: Originally Posted by samht View Post
I know exactly why ppl roll. Need on gear that they can't use and this is the same reason why bioware will never put in classs based roll system...

Drum roll plz

To gear their companion --> plain an simple

Ppl will use all kinds of excuse for why but the true story is companion. I had an by say her aim was tOo high so she wanted to stack some cunning.. But mako uses cunning so she kept rolling need on both cunnIng and aim gear but swore it was for herself


Unfortunatly, until there is a cross-realm lfg tool ppl will put up with because it takes too long to replace Group member, this even more true for republic.

Signed pro choice on lfg tool
-nods-

Rolling for companions is a big part of this discussion. It comes down to trying to settle on the definition of need, which we all pretty much differ.

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sjmc
01.27.2012 , 05:01 PM | #1274
Quote:
Smugglers will want a tank so heavy +str I'd guess, or maybe med +cunning which they already wear.
Smugglers' first tank is +AIM (Corso), but they also get a Wookie tank (+STR), Risha DPS (+Cunning), Akaavi tank-dps (+AIM) and Guss (who I just got).

I use Akaavi Spar, who likes +AIM.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 05:01 PM | #1275
Quote: Originally Posted by T-rollin View Post
You're confusing not being able to refute what you say with not bothering to waste the time.

If someone said "The Sun runs on frog farts", I wouldn't bother trying to refute them, either, because when someone is willing to put as much babbling BS into their statements as you are, I already know up front that the effort is wasted.

You mention 'sound and fury', seemingly without realizing that would be the entirety of the content of your posts. You speak a lot without actually saying anything. That's why we're having this discussion; You've run the course of the babbling you can do on the thread's original issue, so now you're latching on to whatever else you can find to be argumentative about, like people using terms incorrectly, responding to random troll badgering, and the like.

Has any of this made you think about leaving the PC for a bit to do something that isn't killing brain cells?
Your "not bothering to waste time" looks an awful lot like its opposite, T-rollin. If you weren't wasting time (which I honestly think is a phrase you're using to disguise the fact that you can't refute anything I've said), you wouldn't continue posting, particularly in response to something I've personally said.

My position on the looting issue remains both clear and unassailable, and easily-searchable even within the last few pages of this thread. You? At this point you're switching to personal attacks because it would seem you can't actually do anything more to contribute, for or against, to this particular issue. Just a supposition on my part, but it's so far born out by the reality of your posts.
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StonySpider
01.27.2012 , 05:01 PM | #1276
Most of the difficult game content requires the use of a full party or an ops group, in which companions do not factor into the effectiveness of these groups. Thus the gearing of actual, player characters should take precendence over the gearing of companions, as it easier allows players to, you know, play the game.

Yes, gearing your companions will make questing solo easier, but the leveling experience is only one part of the game, and this is a massively multiplayer game. You play with other people, who need better gear to progress through the game, same as you. Taking gear intended for their chosen class in order to equip your companion hurts the party. For instance what if you needed healer gear for your companion and the healer in your party heals for a tiny bit less that what is needed to keep you alive? Yes, you may say that a small stat increase like that won't affect anything significant, but it won't effect your companion that much either, or be even less effective, because your companion will never be used as effectively as a decent human player can accomplish.

If Bioware intended everyone to need on something that they have use for, they'd never create class specific items, because the point will be moot, the chances of that class actually receiving that item will be astronomical. If you need something for purely monetary reasons, or to make your character look cooler, that is greed, and if you don't need or want it, you pass on it. It's not an upgrade, you NEED upgrades or you'll keep dying and not be able to progress through the game. The choice between wearing an ugly piece of armour or a weapon because it's better than what you have on versus wearing something that looks cool but is terrble for your character proves that.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 05:03 PM | #1277
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
That's... your opinion and you're free to have it, although I feel you disregard it mostly because it doesn't suit your point of view. I only explain the reasons why people act one way of the other.
Um, No, it's fact. You want it to be an opinion, but, sad for you, it is actually fact.


Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
Now I have to tell you to read what I write before posting something like that. Of course they aren't grouping to enhance my chances of gaining loot. They are enhancing their own chances to gain loot that will be the best for their character by - in turn - allowing me to have mine.
No-one 'allows' you to have it. If you win, you get it, if don't win, you lose.
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chton
01.27.2012 , 05:07 PM | #1278
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Stop telling people what they should and shouldn't do. If it's your right to need things over the people in the group that can use them as an upgrade, it's their right to boot you, badmouth you, get guilds to black list you and anything else they want to do to you.


Start playing right and those things won't happen.
I'm playing the way I like, contrary to what you claim is right and I have no problems with grouping or what not. Maybe if my server was tiny and people like you the majority, but guess what, I am not playing right and having a great time. No consequences, so do what you like, I say more power to you. Because I know I am and nothing you say or your empty threats matters.

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samht
01.27.2012 , 05:09 PM | #1279
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
You need to accept, that there is no 'excuse' at all. People roll how they want because it is their entitlement to do so.
First, I myself never roll need for my companion, second I have no problem rolling against ppl a roll is a roll. Now, in wow I will Tull off spec, if 1 no one is rolling off spec, or 2 it's a 5-man that's been out for a while, in playing as a tank/heals and loot rules have been established.

Only ppl that care about rolling against others are self entitled children living with momy- others will treat ppl how they want be treated and don't qq if someone plays differently or set ground rules. Do quit you qqing
What's up with the no LFG and LFR

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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 05:10 PM | #1280
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
I have no idea why we are failing BUT I can see a direct correlation between the attitude towards loot being 'free for all' to the detriment of the whole and failing a mission.

Yes, it is hypothetical but not completely out of left field given the opinions expressed in this thread.
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