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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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T-rollin
01.27.2012 , 04:41 PM | #1251
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Point of logic. If there is him and 4 trolls, the only local conclusion is that you are one of the trolls. Simple maths
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Maccaroth
01.27.2012 , 04:43 PM | #1252
Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM
Well to be fair, I tend to dissage with any sort of concept of 'unseen social contract' because I think the idea is a bit of a farce. How can I reasonably be expected to uphold a code of conduct that I've never been exposed to?
Allow me to agree with you first.

Now. It's how the society and women think - they expect of you to know and follow rules you might never heard of before. I know, I experienced it first hand. There is no difference here, with the looting rules. You either accept it or not. There is no third option really. Rules are mostly stupid and cultural thing but in terms of gaming these rules do have their point and are oriented to be beneficial to all involved, so it's quite easy for me to acknowledge and follow them.

Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM
I don't think many people would bother rolling need for a companion that they don't ever use. It can happen sure, but no one who is in the "pro-companion need" that I have seen, has said they'd do something like this.
Let's say we have a single person in the group that could benefit from the loot item. Item goes for that person. But if 2 or 3 people in the team have companion who can use that item... it's suddenly 33% or 25% to loot that item. Not reassuring.

Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM
Now I would most likely actually ask before I rolled need for a companion, especially if I was part of a group of 4 people. Even if no one could wear it, I would likely ask first, because I'd consider that the least likely way to cause conflict.
See? I told you we could get along. Most people avoid conflict and probably that's why I didn't have any problem when playing PUGs on my server. That or I am just a lucky guy.
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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 04:44 PM | #1253
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
sorry to butt in here, but you don't the game progresses, it doesn't revolve around that one encounter. You roll on loot to improve your enjoyment of your character from that point forward...which a companion is definitely a part of.

The game doesn't just end with that one encounter.
The only reason I bring you into a group with me is to help me accomplish the goal at hand. I don't care what you were doing prior to that spot and I don't really care what you do after that unless we are Guildmates.

The point of grouping with you isn't to make your solo life easier through your use of companions - that is what ALL the rest of the game is for. Group drops are to increase your ability to do group content.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 04:44 PM | #1254
Quote: Originally Posted by T-rollin View Post
Meaningless, baseless babbling with no factual backing, I'm shocked. Semantics refers to arguing the same thing in 2 different ways. What you said was simply incorrect. That isn't semantics. You being a doctor/lawyer/psychiatrist, I'd think you would know that.



I'll do that when you manage the same.

I'd point out that I haven't actually stated my opinion on what my personal preference is for loot distribution are, at all, or that anyone else should be using it, but you'll ignore anything that doesn't allow you to babble your way through a thesaurus, reference conditions with improper terminology, or otherwise be contrary for the sake of it.
What you're actually doing here is setting up a classic "red herring", which I'd guess is a result of being unable to actually refute anything I said. And you still haven't answered the question, a plainly-stated one: show me, from one of my own posts, where I've claimed a degree different than the one I've actually claimed.

Thing is, you'll be unable to, because I've not claimed anything other than my doctorate. Across multiple threads on this very issue, in fact, any time someone tries to pull out terms like "sociopath" and use them without understanding their actual meaning.

I'm content to let this part go; it seems to me you're arguing just to make a lot of sound and fury, since you aren't even arguing the actual topic of this thread. But any time you'd like to actually take the proper steps to be taken seriously in your perspective here, you've been cleanly provided with the means to do so.
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Asturias
01.27.2012 , 04:44 PM | #1255
Quote: Originally Posted by The_Archon View Post
That simple concept is lost for many people in this thread.

"To vendor it and keep the creds" is not a need.
"It looks cool on my companion" is not a need.

Folks in this thread who are comfortable rolling on loot that they themselves can't use or isn't an upgrade for them are the ones who'll be kicked from any group I run, no questions asked. The caveat is if nobody else can use the item either. A little basic communication is all it takes.
Your Companion is part of your character and they all have different stats. Take the Operative Jacket you get out of Black Talon. That is a huge upgrade for MAKO as a Bounty Hunter. She uses Cunning like Agents do. I have no problem with people rolling need for the Companions if its a upgrade for there companions.

What I don't get is all this crying over low level gear from flash points and all I am hearing is "I DIDN'T WIN THE ROLL SO I AM MAD" attitude.... Grow up peeps.

The real gear is at end game and you get a fair chance at that with the Badge system in place....
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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 04:46 PM | #1256
Quote: Originally Posted by sjmc View Post
Conversely, if the item is not an upgrade for my main character or the companion I adventure with, I do not press Need.
I would agree with that, and it is the rule I'd use myself.

Again in some semblance of keeping the discussion semi on track. There's two issues here.

There's a debate between if it is ok to need for a companion or not.

There is also an assumption by some that there is no need for that debate.

The first I'm happy to discuss, the second I reject completely simply because it is an assumption. I believe the best way to deal with both issues is to quickly discuss it before hand.

I might if I were the GL of a pug say something like. "Need if it's an upgrade for you, or your main companion. Greed anything else." If someone strongly objects to that, then we can either discuss it or they can find another group. If the rest of group disagrees then either I follow them or I find a different group.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 04:46 PM | #1257
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post

Let's say we have a single person in the group that could benefit from the loot item. Item goes for that person. But if 2 or 3 people in the team have companion who can use that item... it's suddenly 33% or 25% to loot that item. Not reassuring.
Did the other 2 players earn the right to roll on the loot? Yes they did. The rest is irrelevant and being used to somehow grasp at a fact that is just not there.

We all do groups to attain a certain goal. I can bet in most PuGs, none of the players are grouping to enhance your chances of gaining loot.
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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 04:47 PM | #1258
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
The only reason I bring you into a group with me is to help me accomplish the goal at hand. I don't care what you were doing prior to that spot and I don't really care what you do after that unless we are Guildmates.

The point of grouping with you isn't to make your solo life easier through your use of companions - that is what ALL the rest of the game is for. Group drops are to increase your ability to do group content.
You and I differ then, the reason I group is to accomplish a task I cannot by myself. The rewards help from that point forward. Group drops help me even after I leave the group. I do not go into an encounter unequipped to accomplish the task at hand. So, I'm not worried about having to get a drop to help in that instance of the group.

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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 04:49 PM | #1259
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
You and I differ then, the reason I group is to accomplish a task I cannot by myself. The rewards help from that point forward. Group drops help me even after I leave the group. I do not go into an encounter unequipped to accomplish the task at hand. So, I'm not worried about having to get a drop to help in that instance of the group.
Actually you said exactly what I said.

I'm grouping to do group content (non-solo) and other people are required to do that content. If those I'm grouping with are unable to accomplish the mission because they have grouped with you on five previous runs where you felt your solo companion took precedence over their primary toon needs then we all fail.

You included.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 04:51 PM | #1260
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Actually you said exactly what I said.

I'm grouping to do group content (non-solo) and other people are required to do that content. If those I'm grouping with are unable to accomplish the mission because they have grouped with you on five previous runs where you felt your solo companion took precedence over their primary toon needs then we all fail.

You included.
Your argument here works on the presumption of a foundation that you've not actually proven beforehand, so it doesn't hold up. You've no way of knowing if the people are unable to complete the content because they lost out on loot previously to someone choosing top-priority rolls for their companions.
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