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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:49 PM | #1171
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
An item with Cunning is meant for IAs and smugglers. Regardless if it 's only usable by those classes, that it most definitely who those items where created for. And honestly, the only reason you guys aren't needing on class specific gear is because there's no backwards logic to justify it.
A whole more supposition from you, grounded in absolutely zero fact.

How do you know all this? Did you take a poll? Have you got any facts whatsoever to back it up?

How can you possibly believe that you know why I do things?

You really need to start staying with facts only and not your opinion.
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Democratus
01.27.2012 , 03:50 PM | #1172
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Because your companion didn't help accomplish the task one iota. And unless it is being used in the group it never will help.
Which is also wrong, since a companion can be the tool that allowed a character to reach the appropriate level for a Flashpoint. Therefore, the companion was integral to accomplishing the task.

Everyone has different views on what is needed and what is not.

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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 03:51 PM | #1173
Quote: Originally Posted by VanorDM View Post
If we follow this logic, that means I can only roll need on equipment that I will use when grouped with those same 4 people...

If I roll need on something and then go to play with a different group of people, aren't I taking advantage of the people who helped me get that item? What if I'm only playing with one other person and we both are using companions?

If I win an item and equip it on my character, doesn't it help me regardless of if I'm with other people or not?
Hardly.

If you are following the loot concept that is being put forth here by some of the folks that your goal should be to increase the viability of groups (all groups, not just the current one) then you getting gear to make your group-based play is the entire point.

And - if you were actually taking equipment to make your character better in the area of the game you are participating in at the time (group content) then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. You aren't though - you are taking advantage of group players to make your solo life easier to the detriment of others.

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Eldren
01.27.2012 , 03:51 PM | #1174
I still maintain there are only 3 viable solutions to remove loot drama in this game. If none of these 3 are implemented, the loot drama won't go away, and we should all do as we're (secretly or openly) going to do anyway: as we personally wish.

1. Implement Roll/Pass to remove tiers of priority in loot distribution.
2. Implement companion loot boxes in all bosses' loot tables, and make all other gear class-dependent, including an inability to roll Need if you aren't part of that class.
3. Give a loot bag from the final boss to each player that contains 1 piece of loot appropriate to their class and 1 piece of loot that will upgrade one of their companions.
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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:51 PM | #1175
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
Yes. Yes, you didn't see nor sign it. That's why I keep saying it's unseen and unwritten. You aren't forced to oblige it. But you must keep in mind that there might be the other people who will alienate you for not following it and there's a reason for it.
And I should care about greedy people alienating me? If anyone feels they have some right, written or otherwise to force me to allow them a better chance at loot while I lose out, I am delighted to be alienated from them.
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 03:52 PM | #1176
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Because your companion didn't help accomplish the task one iota. And unless it is being used in the group it never will help.
Certainly it did. The only reason I'm of level to be in the group is due to my companions.

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So taking loot from an active participant to make your solo game better is the epitome of need and entitlement.
False.

It's only entitlement if you claim that you're entitled to it over other people and insist that they shouldn't be rolling.

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Sousukesama
01.27.2012 , 03:52 PM | #1177
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
If you say so. The real chances of meeting the same players continually are mediocre at best I would think. So the argument has no basis.
Mediocre in only some cases. For example, I work in the Tech world and have to deal with bugs in code and helping developers fix them. This also includes providing justification to have said bug fixed sooner rather than later.

This usually goes on through email as my company is global. Receiving a response in email to turn down a request to have a bug fix pushed sooner is easy to do. When I travel to different sites and talk with said developer or development group, it magically seems they are very agreeable and their ability to say no the bug won't get fixed in this upcoming release is not so easy for them.

This has nothing to do with being threatening, it goes on all the time in the corporate world with companies being global.

The same concept extends to online games. People are inherently non-confrontational, but take away the human part of it ( face to face ) they suddenly find themselves able to treat others with disrespect.

Believe what you want.

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 03:53 PM | #1178
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
If you are following the loot concept that is being put forth here by some of the folks that your goal should be to increase the viability of groups (all groups, not just the current one) then you getting gear to make your group-based play is the entire point.
Sorry, but I reject the idea that you are allowed to dictate my goal. You aren't. That's not my goal.

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:54 PM | #1179
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
Hardly.

If you are following the loot concept that is being put forth here by some of the folks that your goal should be to increase the viability of groups (all groups, not just the current one) then you getting gear to make your group-based play is the entire point.

And - if you were actually taking equipment to make your character better in the area of the game you are participating in at the time (group content) then we wouldn't be having this discussion at all. You aren't though - you are taking advantage of group players to make your solo life easier to the detriment of others.
I am not taking advantage of group players at all. In fact, it is the group players attempting to take advantage from me.

Each group member gets to roll on the loot. If they lose they lose, if they win, they win. Anything else and all this, my class, better stats for me, is just greed.
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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 03:56 PM | #1180
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
Certainly it did. The only reason I'm of level to be in the group is due to my companions.

False.

It's only entitlement if you claim that you're entitled to it over other people and insist that they shouldn't be rolling.
This isn't that hard to grasp.

The task at hand wasn't accomplished by your companion. Your companion is not actively participating in the fight (in this example) and brings nothing to the table. Your companion is not entitled to jack over an active participant in the group unless that is decided up front.