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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 03:03 PM | #1081
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
These are people that would need on an orange item for appearances sake over someone in their group who actually uses those stats and would get a huge boost from it. Nothing they could do would surprise me at this point.


Honestly though, this thread is the number one reason why everyone should consider joining a guild. Guild runs are so much more pleasant. It's nice to know that if a cool gun drops for my Gunslinger, I'll win it and get a big ol "Congrats!" from them over losing it to the Sentinel because "My Little droid here uses pistols and I can mod it for AIM".


Seriously people, join a guild and have fun. Or PuG and deal with the ninjas in this thread.
So someone who prioritizes looks over stats is wrong? They are playing wrong? So you get to decide this? The orange item system ENCOURAGES customizing your looks. What right do you have to tell them they are playing wrong?

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Creed_Buhallin
01.27.2012 , 03:05 PM | #1082
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
These are people that would need on an orange item for appearances sake over someone in their group who actually uses those stats and would get a huge boost from it. Nothing they could do would surprise me at this point.
My wife will happily take lower stats on something she prefers the appearance of. That's what's important to her when she plays. With disrespectful comments like this, were we ever unfortunate enough to encounter you in game I can guarantee we'd spare you the slot on your ignore list, and happily take care of that for you.

Why is it so utterly impossible for you to show the least bit of respect to someone who might have a different playstyle than you do?

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Edryk
01.27.2012 , 03:05 PM | #1083
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
It's not my idea of fair. If all parties involved have an equal chance at what drops, it just is fair. Fair means something pretty specific, not what you or I feel it means.

1.
free from bias, dishonesty, or injustice: a fair decision; a fair judge.

ie if everyone has the same chance to roll, with no bias or any other outside influence to not roll, it is fair. And to a degree you CAN force them. If you do not discuss prior, and then kick them for rolling by the rules set in the game, that is paramount to enforcing your view. If you DO discuss it and they agree but then break said agreement, by all means. They agreed, and failed to follow, they broke the rule and you forced nothing.
Good job quoting only the definition from dictionary.com that supports your argument. Here are the others.

2. legitimately sought, pursued, done, given, etc.; proper under the rules
4. neither excellent nor poor; moderately or tolerably good

For (2) we are discussing the merit of the rules. And for (4) my opinion is different than yours.

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Matte_Black
01.27.2012 , 03:06 PM | #1084
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
If I were to always lay out ground rules before the runs, some people that may not have needed on anything but there own class items may now need on mine too just because I was "being a douche and trying to tell them what to do".
Doesn't this strike you as a sign that maybe your view is not such a widely assumed one, if you are afraid to broach it.
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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 03:06 PM | #1085
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
So someone who prioritizes looks over stats is wrong? They are playing wrong? So you get to decide this? The orange item system ENCOURAGES customizing your looks. What right do you have to tell them they are playing wrong?


Looks don't you take down that gold in that quest you're trying to complete. Better stats do. Make sense?

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 03:07 PM | #1086
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
In other words - it's hard to tell, since we don't have access to hard data and I can base only on my experience in the game.
Ok I understand now.

Here's the issue though, while yes if you base your opinion on what you see on your server, you may come to a given conclusion, based on your observation.

However your observation of a subset of the whole is inherently suspect because you aren't getting data from a wide range of people. On my server, Kath Hound a RP server, people are going to have different priorities and opinions then people playing on a PvP server, or even a PvE server.

On the message boards, because it does attract a wide range of people from different types of servers, you're going to find a better sample group.

I've seen more then one person say that people who feel it's ok to need for companions are a very small, even meaningless minority. However based on the posts I've seen, that doesn't seem to be true at all. I can't give a % of those for and those against, but it's clear that neither side is a massive majority (80% or higher) of the player base.

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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 03:07 PM | #1087
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Looks don't you take down that gold in that quest you're trying to complete. Better stats do. Make sense?
And? Just because you prioritize killing Elites or Champions doesn't mean they do. They just want to look cool or whatever. So, still looking for why you get to decide for them.

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Jigsaw-Complex
01.27.2012 , 03:07 PM | #1088
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
So someone who prioritizes looks over stats is wrong? They are playing wrong? So you get to decide this? The orange item system ENCOURAGES customizing your looks. What right do you have to tell them they are playing wrong?
BH wearing Sith robes? Wrong.

Jedi wearing smuggler hat? Wrong.

Smuggler wearing Inquisitor robes? Wrong.

It's a cop out to say that orange gear is up for grabs. It's whoever needs it, then whoever can wear it, then whoever wants it. That's how it goes.
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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 03:08 PM | #1089
Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
Here's the problem with that. When everyone has different priorities that clearly act to the detriment of the rest of the group? Then I'd argue that we should have the right to say/do something.
In this case, you are referring to loot I assume. That be so, there is no detriment to the group at all. The entire group are doing whatever they are doing so they all get a chance at loot.


Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
And no, just because our views differ from someone else's and just because we are trying to exert our influence does not necessarily make us oppressive and/or tyrannical. You're arguing an extreme viewpoint. You want a completely hands-off system were nobody, anywhere, gets to dictate anything. All well and good if everybody could be trusted to act towards the common good. They can't.
The common good is quite irrelevant. And even if it were, who is to decide it? You? It takes some ego to assume you know more about what I need than I do myself. Your whole argument fails right there.

Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
But until then, you're damn right I see the need to prioritize things like loot management.
And who are you to decide anything for me? I can make my own decisions. I do not need you to decide for me. When you finally reach the understanding of that, you will understand that what you attempting to do, is dictate to others your terms and conditions.

Quote: Originally Posted by DrunkenGundark View Post
But this fanatical adherence to "You can't tell me what to do. NOBODY tells me what to do," isn't productive.
And neither is the fanatical adherence to the ideal that your needs and ideals have any leverage over mine.
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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 03:08 PM | #1090
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
My wife will happily take lower stats on something she prefers the appearance of. That's what's important to her when she plays. With disrespectful comments like this, were we ever unfortunate enough to encounter you in game I can guarantee we'd spare you the slot on your ignore list, and happily take care of that for you.

Why is it so utterly impossible for you to show the least bit of respect to someone who might have a different playstyle than you do?

Your Logic is not sound, sir. In fact, it's down right ridiculous. Playing dress up is fun and all, but it won't help you while questing. Stat boosts will. Nice troll attempt though.