No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Game communities are all about social conventions - you break the conventions the sense of community suffers.

This thread is all about discussing agreed conventions - of course anyone is free to break them and face the consequences.

Game communities are all about social conventions - you break the conventions the sense of community suffers.

This thread is all about discussing agreed conventions - of course anyone is free to break them and face the consequences.

False dilemma.

The actual choices are between
Everyone gets a chance at loot they want where I dictate the correct priorities and whether they are allowed priority.
vs
Everyone gets a chance at loot they want,


I much prefer the latter; you have no business setting my priorities.

I'm not enforcing anything. It's already that way, if Bioware didn't intend it to be that way, it would not be that way. And if it was a mistake on their end, they will change it. I don't force others to pass on gear because it's a bigger upgrade to someone else. I just expect that in the ABSENCE of an agreement among players, that the rules of the game will allow what they will, and I will never complain of such.

And it's not hypocritical. The rules are what they are, I had no say in them being made, and neither likely did you. As people have stated before, this is about as close to "fair" as you can get. And why we say the "social" or "moral" or whatever side is forcing? Because they want to force THEIR views on everyone else. I do not. My views are actually different than the system in place, but I understand they are that way for a reason.

The problem is that those social conventions are being carried over from other games, and simply haven't kept up with the realities of TOR.

Let's consider an alternative: Assume (I don't know if it does) that in WoW, Intelligence as a stat boosted both a Mage's direct damage, and the toughness of a Warlock's pet.

Would it be acceptable for the warlock to roll need on an Intelligence item, even though it only improves his pet? And even then, would only be a meaningful improvement for his Voidwalker?

My guess would be, if they don't have a need for an item, they wouldn't roll need.

This thread is all about discussing agreed conventions - of course anyone is free to break them and face the consequences.

So why are you even here if your opinion is that Bioware will make the rules and you'll live by them?

I don't want to force my views on anyone else. I just want to play with people that share my opinions. And I'd like to know beforehand if not.

I CAN'T force my views on anyone else. I can't MAKE anyone pass. However, people can roll on everything even if they have no use for it, and the game allows that. Sorry that I don't share your idea of 'fair'.

I'd like to play the way I want, and I'll let you go play the way you want. But the only way we can both do so is if I remove you from the group, or I leave. Otherwise you get to do things your way and I can't stop you.

Here's the problem with that. When everyone has different priorities that clearly act to the detriment of the rest of the group? Then I'd argue that we should have the right to say/do something.

And no, just because our views differ from someone else's and just because we are trying to exert our influence does not necessarily make us oppressive and/or tyrannical. You're arguing an extreme viewpoint. You want a completely hands-off system were nobody, anywhere, gets to dictate anything. All well and good if everybody could be trusted to act towards the common good. They can't.

What gives me the right to determine whether my priorities should have any bearing on what gets said/done in a group? Only my actions and my continued good will. If I do anything that works contrary to the best interests of the party, then you stop me. If my interests conflict with the best interests of the party, then you stop me. But until then, you're damn right I see the need to prioritize things like loot management. Give upgrades to those who can make honest use of them. Make the most effective use of the resources the group is given.

But this fanatical adherence to "You can't tell me what to do. NOBODY tells me what to do," isn't productive.

These are people that would need on an orange item for appearances sake over someone in their group who actually uses those stats and would get a huge boost from it. Nothing they could do would surprise me at this point.