No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

But I and a number of other people are perfectly happy the way it is now so no need for this change. See again there's this thing called party chat, you can use it for all types of useful stuff, one determining loot rules before a run. If you use it and everyone agrees to your rules, it's all good. The only issue is when people don't discuss the rules and assume people play like them. A few minutes in the beginning saves drama and lets BW work on actual issues. Feel free to argue but I see no way a simple discussion before hand wouldn't solve every one of these issues.

I'm curious to see whats going to happen with all this need for companion stuff when these guys hit 50 and gear matters, and companions become vanity items that follow you around the fleet.

Last time I checked the greedy needy all about me culture is frowned on no matter where you go. My statement stands. Why should i be forced to work with someone that wants to take everything and leave nothing for anyone else? Which way is better? Working together and everyone gets a shot at something nice designed for them? Or Everyone working so 1 person can take everything with the call off "I can make it work for my companion."

The content is designed for groups. Groups have to socially interact and that means taking other priorities or ideas into consideration.

-shrugs-

Could be, but in these discussion I do not see people stating that, nor defending it's intent. Vitally all threads I've seen, discussing the loot rules ahead of time, is the only that both sides agree on.

with the exception of 2 obvious trolls

it's been stated several times in this thread alone, not to mention in many of the similar threads.

Then you have not read the entire thread. By my calculations, it is universally agreed on this thread, that if the group sets rules at the start, you have a choice to agree to those rules and go along, or to voice your disagreement and leave the group.

Regardless, it was never ninja'ing in the first place, and people just do not *want* to accept this, because once, you do accept it, the whole NBG rules falls apart.

That they will ninja? I haven't read them. Pretty sure their trolls, unless they are defending it.

One crew (we'll call them the "anti-companion" crowd) wants people to have their rolls limited to a certain narrowly-defined corridor. The other crew wants people to roll as they desire, and let the dice fall where they may.

Who's being selfish here?

What the anti-companion crowd doesn't seem to realize is that they want to force others to behave as they wish, while their opposition lets people behave as they desire either way. I again posit that the selfish perspective is obvious here.

If someone rolls Need on several varieties of gear for a variety of reasons, that's fine: they were in the Flashpoint, they helped down the boss that dropped the gear. All going into a Flashpoint gives you as a guarantee is an opportunity to roll on loot. You aren't guaranteed loot, you're only guaranteed the opportunity to try for it. Some folks want to improve their chances past "chance at" into "nearly guaranteed", and they're upset the system doesn't let them.

You all go in, you all roll as you feel is appropriate. The end result is everyone needs upgrades, and everyone wants something from the Flashpoint. Each person is being selfish if they're willing to roll against someone else for a piece of gear.

That the anti-companion crowd attempts to disguise this by moralizing and appealing to a social contract that not everyone acknowledges is the amusing part.

False dilemma.

The actual choices are between
Everyone gets a chance at loot they want where I dictate the correct priorities and whether they are allowed priority.
vs
Everyone gets a chance at loot they want. Period


I much prefer the latter; you have no business setting my priorities.