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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Calsetes
01.27.2012 , 02:39 PM | #1041
Quote: Originally Posted by Nightfox_ View Post
People are not equal. That's just what they teach you in Sunday school, sorry. Wake up and look around.
That is literally the exact opposite of what they teach. Or taught, since it's been a looooong time since I went (almost 14 years, now?) It's that whole "do unto other as you'd want done unto you" thing.
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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 02:39 PM | #1042
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with discussing the looting rules before you get to loot. That's the only reasonable thing to do, no matter which opinion you hold.
Here again you are using supposition with no known correlating data to back it up. 'Everyone' how did you get to that conclusion?
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 02:40 PM | #1043
Quote: Originally Posted by Kindara View Post
Just because the game allows you to be a social jerk
Just because someoen has different priorities, that doesn't make them a jerk, social or otherwise.

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For me I'll be polite ask that people simply roll need for what they not their companions can use.
Why do you think it's ok to enforce your priorities on other people? I'd really like to know.

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VanorDM
01.27.2012 , 02:40 PM | #1044
Quote: Originally Posted by Maccaroth View Post
Take into consideration that anyone from any realm can post in these forums and forum discussions attract people who have different mindsets, so it's hard to presume what fraction of the player base which people are when they post here.
Not sure what realm has to do with anything...

The forms is normally a microcosmic of the player base as a whole, in the same way a poll of 1000 people can be used to get an idea of what the country as a whole things.

The point I took exception so, is this idea that "only a small fraction of the player base feels X way." When in fact if you look at all the posts on this subject, and there have been thousands of them since release...

It's clear that people who feel need for companions, are not simply a small fraction of the player base as a whole. They may or may not be the majority now, but they are also not a meaningless fraction either.

I'd also say that as time goes on, more and more you'll see people coming to feel differently about it, once they start to realize that this isn't WoW, and the rules that worked there don't always work here.

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Sousukesama
01.27.2012 , 02:40 PM | #1045
I'm not reading 101 pages, but if it hasn't already been said.

The OP had the marauder roll on cunning gear.. most likely the real reason is his companion could use it. He isn't going to use it himself just for an AC or Endurance upgrade when his main stat STR will be lost.

As for locking all the loot down so only the class that can use it can get it through need - the same would apply when someone that has that stat as their main stat, but they don't need it. They will purposefully click need when someone else in the group could probably use it as an upgrade for a companion, but they're locked out of the need button.

Ultimately, you'll never be free of jerks in groups. Limiting the need button on loot just causes the opposite side of loot whores. Just have to move on and play the game. Don't group with them again, and spread the word about them if you want through /general

I've played quite a few MMOs and there will always be greedy people.

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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 02:41 PM | #1046
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
I didn't say you rolled on everything. I said you have the ability to force your idea of what is fair on other people - because of game mechanics. And that you (or others that share your view) don't see a need bringing up the discussion beforehand because 'the game lets me do it'.

The question is not whether you have entitlement to roll(clearly you do), but should you have entitlement to roll. I think that was the whole point of this thread. Was it not?

One side: yep I was there, I should.
Other side: player characters should get priority over companions/looks/etc

First side actually has the ability to enforce their ideas. Second side's only recourse is to not play with them/blacklist. Yet first side complains about other peoples' opinion and action that allows them to play with others of the same opinion - and calls it 'forcing their opinion on others' and 'greedy'. Seems hypocritical to me.
I'm not enforcing anything. It's already that way, if Bioware didn't intend it to be that way, it would not be that way. And if it was a mistake on their end, they will change it. I don't force others to pass on gear because it's a bigger upgrade to someone else. I just expect that in the ABSENCE of an agreement among players, that the rules of the game will allow what they will, and I will never complain of such.

And it's not hypocritical. The rules are what they are, I had no say in them being made, and neither likely did you. As people have stated before, this is about as close to "fair" as you can get. And why we say the "social" or "moral" or whatever side is forcing? Because they want to force THEIR views on everyone else. I do not. My views are actually different than the system in place, but I understand they are that way for a reason.

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 02:42 PM | #1047
Quote: Originally Posted by Razot View Post
WoW kiddie ftl..
someone should really keep track, and see how many times that guy has gotten a bite...

it's just sad.

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Vydor_HC
01.27.2012 , 02:42 PM | #1048
Quote: Originally Posted by Setanian View Post
Here again you are using supposition with no known correlating data to back it up. 'Everyone' how did you get to that conclusion?
Because, I've yet to really see a post that defends ninjaing or one that says "no matter what the group decides I'm going to do the opposite".

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Setanian
01.27.2012 , 02:43 PM | #1049
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Yeah, but you'll roll on companion gear over players in your group, and that's bad enough.


Bioware needs to just take away companion gear and make their stats scale with your own. They could add more "social gear" to be used for your companion's appearance and just have their stats scale. That would take away most of people's justifications to grief others right there.
The problem here is you are creating the grief through your own greed. You are claiming that your PC has more entitlement/right to loot that my companion.

Now, they are both just 'data' on the internet wires. They are not real people. So they both are equal. In your mind, you are assigning more value to your pc data than a companion.

BW created this companion system. It is unlike any other MMO, so there-fore, agreed 'norms' do not apply. The fact is, the norm was an accepted norm by those accepting it because, when the rule is applied, the chances of gaining loot are raised.
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 02:43 PM | #1050
Quote: Originally Posted by Vydor_HC View Post
I'm pretty sure everyone agrees with discussing the looting rules before you get to loot. That's the only reasonable thing to do, no matter which opinion you hold.
Sadly there are a lot of folks who think it's ok to not discuss them, and then hold people accountable to those unwritten, unspoken rules.