No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Except the game is designed this way. We aren't making the opinion that it is, it just IS designed that way. If we DIDN'T have entitlement to roll, we would not be allowed to. 100% absolute. Not my opinion, nor his. That's just how the game works. I personally do NOT roll on everything, and i've stated as such several times, so has he.

Really?

Because based on the number of posts I've seen about this issue, they clearly are not a small fraction of the player base.

But if you want to insist on using rules that don't really apply, and force your opinion on everyone else, with no warning... Feel free to do so.

For most of us, the issue isn't if you should or shouldn't roll need for companions. The issue is that people seem to believe there's no reason to even discuss loot rules ahead of time.

I'm entitled to roll. Nothing more. If I lose the roll to someone who is going to just sell it to an NPC vendor, so be it. I however don't roll on everything. I check the other guys' gear and see if it helps him more and typically pass if it does. But you know, the game is designed contrary to that. You helped, you get to roll. That's an absolute, not an opinion.

Not at all, his position is one of equality...everyone is equal to roll, winner gets item. The other way levels opinionated entitlement on who deserves to get to roll. That's not equality. That's something that would have to be discussed ahead of time as to who qualifies for what since it's not universally equal.

And the entire point of this thread is an attempt to modify the existing system to make it more equitable for the 'player toon' over the companion/Alt. Plan and simple.

Yes, the current system allows for the problem to exist - this is an attempt to address that.

That doesn't force anything on anyone.

You are still free to decide whether to loot based on your loot priorities; you just don't get to force your priorities on other people.

My method, no one gets to say "I deserve it more than you"

Your method, people get to say "I deserve it more than you"

My way is about equality and fairness.

You way is about entitlement and control of others.

Or talk to them in advance and let them know that you have additional, arbitrary loot rules that you expect them to follow.

Greed was originally created to distinguish something that was just going to be sold, rather than used. This is a separation I think most people still consider valid.

But games have evolved, and the NBG system has evolved with it. In some cases, the marginal utility someone gets from an item is clearly less - this is why disenchanting/disassembling is considered even lower priority than Greed. But SWTOR is much more complex in the potential uses for an item, and some people just haven't caught up yet.

As I said a few pages back, I solo with my Sniper. My companion's armor is absolutely critical for me - at least as critical as any Mercenary who also happens to wear heavy armor, but shouldn't be taking hits. Who gets more utility from that?

The problem some of us have with this is that people want to gauge that utility, but can't be bothered to do it for real. Who gets better use from a piece of "obviously" BH armor - a tanking Powertech, a DPS Powertech, a healing Mercenary, or a DPS mercenary? It's a complicated question that nobody wants to deal with in the middle of a run, so it gets bundled to "Anyone who can use it".

But people inherently want to improve their chances of getting pieces they want, and the best way to do that is to restrict the pool of people rolling for them, especially if you can find easy disqualifiers. So my Agent can't roll on that for Kaliyo, even though I could potentially see much more benefit than any of the people it's "meant for".

And that's their opinion. They feel the player alone is more important than the player's companions, or the player's desire for looks, or whatnot. So they're allowed to go ahead and say what THEY feel is right and should be prioritized is more important than say, someone who prioritizes looks over stats?

And by problem I hope you mean what you consider a problem, not what is factually a problem. Since to be factually a problem it has to be pretty much 100% ie someone getting the top roll and still not getting the item due to a bug.

Take into consideration that anyone from any realm can post in these forums and forum discussions attract people who have different mindsets, so it's hard to presume what fraction of the player base which people are when they post here.

On my server though I have seen that all people I've played with - and I never discussed group loot rules with them - seem to share opinion that need is for player's character. For companions you can use need IF you ask before and no one else need it. From what I've seen the people are reasonable and make no problem of other people taking need if they don't need item for their character.

False. I don't feel that I'm entitled to anything.

I feel that everyone is equal, and everyone deserves an equal chance to get the loot that they want. It doesn't matter why they want it. Maybe they like the stats. Maybe they list te stats for there companion. Maybe they want some of the mods out of it. Maybe they want the item itself for it's looks. The why doesn't matter; they've earned the chance to roll, nothing more.

No, it's the opposite of an entitlement issue. I feel that noone is entitled to gear.

I know that's hard to understand. The first step is taking a long hard look at your own entitlement issue (I deserve loot X because of Y reason) and admit it, even if just to yourself.

As long as you hold on to that, you're going to have loot drama.