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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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xsteinbachx
01.27.2012 , 02:15 PM | #1011
There should be a setting that the Group leader can set before the instance. Either everyone can roll, or only the class that can use the item. That way everyones happy, and it stops the BS.

Seriously, everyone has different views on drops, and no one can agree, let it be settled in game with an easy option.

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Maccaroth
01.27.2012 , 02:16 PM | #1012
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz
No, we're acting as though no one actually deserves any particular loot drop over anyone else that contributed to earning that loot drop.
Anyone can do whatever he wants - need, greed or pass the loot. It's true.

When you have four people it's simply more sensible to let the other people take the gear they need if you don't need it (to equip yourself). That way healer will be able to get healer gear and tank will equip tank gear when it'll be possible for looting. It's not free, it's done because by allowing them to take "their" parts you'll be free to take "yours" in return and the whole party will benefit, since you'll take equipment you really need to improve your stats and boost the party (and yourself).

If you'll take need for a companion (and you have many companions), then everyone can take need too. That way you can win some items (or nothing, or all, it's random roll divided by four people), but there is no guarantee that you'll lay your hands on parts for your character.

That's the main reason why people usually don't roll need for their companion without asking first and don't roll over the needs of the other players in the group. Not because they are nice - although some people are - but because they are able to see how this course of action benefits them indirectly.
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ispanolfw
01.27.2012 , 02:17 PM | #1013
Quote: Originally Posted by Loendar View Post
I think he finds it funny that you are calling out others on entitlement issues when your position is that you are entitled to everything.

It made me laugh as well.
He never said he was entitled to everything. He said he was entitled to roll, just like EVERYONE ELSE in the group who helped defeat the content at hand. So if he rolls need against someone, and loses, and DOESN'T whine that he lost and is actually completely ok with the outcome every time, he's still feeling entitled? May want to think about that a bit.

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Spartanik
01.27.2012 , 02:18 PM | #1014
Quote: Originally Posted by Creed_Buhallin View Post
That's not his position at all.

His position is that everybody is entitled to lay equal claim to the rewards for content they helped defeat. That's pretty much the definition of equality.

The other side is claiming that only certain people can lay claim to items, and what's more, THEY get to decide what is an isn't an acceptable claim. That's entitlement.

It's not really all that hard, if you can get past the way things worked in older games.
If that was true they didnt had the greed option in the first place.
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Zhothon
01.27.2012 , 02:19 PM | #1015
Guys and gals. Stop arguing with the select few who think they are entitled to roll on all gear. They represent a very small fraction of the player base. If you see people acting like them in the game, do what a majority of us would do.

Kick them out of the group.

They are arguing here for the sake of arguing. You will never get through to them.

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sjmc
01.27.2012 , 02:19 PM | #1016
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As an example Im pretty ilum isnt working as bioware intended, and stil ppl massively exploit ilum in several ways, by your logic you are defending Exploiters, just because they are able to, thus assuming Bioware wanted that to happen.
It is not an exploit to put gear into Companion gear slots. If Bioware didn't want companions to wear gear, they wouldn't have given them gear slots.

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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 02:20 PM | #1017
Quote: Originally Posted by Spartanik View Post
Even so by your logic it shows very lack of fair play.
How so?
everyone contributes = everyone has a chance at loot. If you want to hold people to a specific standard, the onus is on you to communicate that standard.

How is that a lack of fair play?


I'm in favor of fair play; I'm against people insisting that they somehow deserve loot over other people for arbitrary reasons.


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As an example Im pretty ilum isnt working as bioware intended, and stil ppl massively exploit ilum in several ways, by your logic you are defending Exploiters, just because they are able to, thus assuming Bioware wanted that to happen.
No, bioware has specifically said that they didn't intend for the issues in illum to happen, while the stuff I seen where BW commented on looted makes it pretty clear that looting for companions, mods and even appearance, is working as intended.

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Edryk
01.27.2012 , 02:21 PM | #1018
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
He never said he was entitled to everything. He said he was entitled to roll, just like EVERYONE ELSE in the group who helped defeat the content at hand. So if he rolls need against someone, and loses, and DOESN'T whine that he lost and is actually completely ok with the outcome every time, he's still feeling entitled? May want to think about that a bit.
His is the only position which allows for forcing it on other people by actually hitting the need button. No matter what you agree on, if a person feels entitled to roll, there's nothing I can do to stop them. My only recourse is to not play with them.

But hey, they keep saying that it's wrong to force your opinion on others, while maintaining that they do just that and shifting the onus of discussing it to others.

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Loendar
01.27.2012 , 02:22 PM | #1019
Quote: Originally Posted by ispanolfw View Post
He never said he was entitled to everything. He said he was entitled to roll, just like EVERYONE ELSE in the group who helped defeat the content at hand. So if he rolls need against someone, and loses, and DOESN'T whine that he lost and is actually completely ok with the outcome every time, he's still feeling entitled? May want to think about that a bit.
It's really just semantics. If you feel everyone can/should roll on everything then you inherently feel that YOU are entitled to everything which is the opposite of what other people are saying.

So, yes, his position takes entitlement issues to the extreme.

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Nightfox_
01.27.2012 , 02:22 PM | #1020
Quote: Originally Posted by Edryk View Post
His is the only position which allows for forcing it on other people by actually hitting the need button. No matter what you agree on, if a person feels entitled to roll, there's nothing I can do to stop them. My only recourse is to not play with them.

But hey, they keep saying that it's wrong to force your opinion on others, while maintaining that they do just that and shifting the onus of discussing it to others.
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