No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Because there's no valid "should" ... the loot does go to the person who wins the roll; there is no should

the only way you can bring up should is if you think you're entitled to loot; the folks that don't think anyone is entitled to loot (like me) disagree that there is ever a "should" except in cases where the group has a agreed to abide by an alternate looting method.

No, we're acting as though no one actually deserves any particular loot drop over anyone else that contributed to earning that loot drop.

I don't see your point.

Because he has entitlement issues.

No, Bioware created that loot for everyone who can equip it, including companions.

If I have a reason why I want it, and the IA has a reason why he wants it, why would I feel bad about him having entitlement issues?

Clearly you're incorrect.

Your conclusion (above) doesn't follow from this premise.

Stat priority does not say anything about how bioware intended loot to work.

FYI: there's a preview button just to the right of "submit reply" ... you can use that to re-read your post and make sure you're using the right words.

BAM!! There it is!

You think the player is more important than the companion. To someone who runs with a companion out a lot (I solo with a Sniper as an alt) I can tell you that my companion's gear is really, REALLY important to me. You're perfectly welcome to think humans are more important than NPCs. Guess what? I'm not an NPC. When she's under-geared and I can't burn down whatever I'm facing before she drops, she's not the one who has to wait for the med probe, or pay the credits for the repair.

You can put whatever justification you want on it, make whatever distinctions you feel are appropriate, but at the end of the day, a piece of gear on Kaliyo affects how well I can accomplish the challenges in the game. Kaliyo isn't sneaking off at night to do stuff without me (well, she might be, she's kinda a freak), and she doesn't really care what she's wearing. But I do, and it matters to me what she's wearing as much as what you're wearing matters to you.

If you can't move your mindset into the reality of this game, that's fine - but I'm certainly not going to gimp myself - that's right, let me repeat it - I'm not going to gimp myself because you can't deal with how important companions can be.

No, it really doesn't. You create the drama by trying to decide for others what qualifies as need. Is that for your companion? Can't use it. How much of an upgrade is it for you? I'm more sniper-specced, so critical is more important for me than you, why'd you roll on that??

Really, there's one sure way to figure out who's creating the drama: Which side of this debate is running of to the forum and starting 100-page threads?

I think its funny to see the people who justify rolling on anything they feel like talk about entitlement issues

It really doesn't matter if you lay out loot rules before hand or not. With certain people, you can never win. If I were to always lay out ground rules before the runs, some people that may not have needed on anything but there own class items may now need on mine too just because I was "being a douche and trying to tell them what to do".

So, all you can hope for is that you get lucky. Three times lucky in come cases. Lucky that anything drops for your class in the first place. Lucky that no one else rolls on it if they can't fully benefit form it. And lastly, lucky if you win the roll when the whole group decides their companion/bank account needed it more than you.


Either that, or wait until Bioware fixes the situation some how and forces people to play nice.

Geez, I'll say it again - in condensed form, this time:

Go ahead and roll Need on whatever you want. If your party has an issue with it, they will deal with it in one of several ways - be it bringing it up to the group, telling you to stop, or just flat-out booting you. In a situation that doesn't involve an immediate dismissal from the group, it is entirely up to you whether or not you stay with that group, and whether or not you change how you currently use your selection criteria for that group.

If everyone asks you to stop needing everything, and you keep doing it, don't be surprised to get booted. If everyone starts hitting need also, then do not be surprised if you don't get stuff. If everyone leaves your party, then do not be surprised if they formed their own without you. If the leader changes to some other looting method, then do not be surprised.

I don't think this stuff is rocket science. I mean, I always let my group know if I'm looking for anything in particular right off the bat that might be "against the norm," such as trooper armor for a guardian, because they might be cool with it, or they might not.


Edit: I get the "companions make a difference" argument. If you say you're needing for your companions, and the group asks you to stop, then... see my whole thing above.

They don't give any hints and nudges about loot priority.

That's just silly. Humans can't wear any of the gear in the game. The gear is just pixels.

The companions, on the other hand, can.


No, your way causes loot drama. My way is to talk about it in group, and that is the only thing that can be done to reduce loot drama

Even so by your logic it shows very lack of fair play.
As an example Im pretty ilum isnt working as bioware intended, and stil ppl massively exploit ilum in several ways, by your logic you are defending Exploiters, just because they are able to, thus assuming Bioware wanted that to happen.

im hoping in game i wont group with you ever.
trolling now?1 i see....

I'm not really sure what you're trying to say. Want a do over?

I think he finds it funny that you are calling out others on entitlement issues when your position is that you are entitled to everything.

It made me laugh as well.

That's not his position at all.

His position is that everybody is entitled to lay equal claim to the rewards for content they helped defeat. That's pretty much the definition of equality.

The other side is claiming that only certain people can lay claim to items, and what's more, THEY get to decide what is an isn't an acceptable claim. That's entitlement.

It's not really all that hard, if you can get past the way things worked in older games.