*SPOILERS*Why was Revan and so much in kotor retconned

This ^. is exactly why EU Doesn't count this entire event description is from an episode of dragonball I somehow missed I am sure of it. There was never anything to lead from the dark lord of the sith and most powerful bad guy aroud could shoot lightning to this other guy who was way more ****** and we never heard of you defy the laws of physics open wormhole move at speed of thout and use a power only one other person had but on a galactic scale as opposed to immediate vacinity. I could write a book about a guy 1 million times as powerful as revan, vitiate, palpatine, caesius, or luke has been built up to and then tell you this new guy is better. how about we stick to things with the lucas arts approval at least

well...
HK-47 makes a cameo in star wars galaxies, thats a couple thousand years after this time line...
i dont think revan dies, and the exile is still "alive"
but if biowares kill-kills them, then im sad... because, well... thats ME!!!

For all this stuff about not being able to master both sides of the force i don't think thats true in Jedi Academy Kyle Katarn tells your character that he can learn light side force abilities, and dark side like lighting etc. then he says quote, well not exact quote but lol "They may be powers of the dark side but it is how you use them that matters."

lol as soon as you start investing into dark side powers in jedi academy kyle and luke start QQ at you saying that if you keep learning dark side force powers you will fall to the dark side the dark side corrupts. Kyle is wrong dark side force powers can corrupt its simply a matter of time since dark side force powers require to channel pure hate and anger. Something a jedi should not be doing.

Also these"grey" jedi in lore are still light side if you look at jolee in kotor you can still see the light aura around his feet. Even bastila points out jolee still serves the light even if he denys it and kriea? she is dark side she is hiding it if you pay attention to what she says in kotor 2 she is pretty much spouting sith teachings and if you agree with her you will be smacked with a bucket load of dark side points.

Also about revan Spoilers flashpoint!

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lol as soon as you start investing into dark side powers in jedi academy kyle and luke start QQ at you saying that if you keep learning dark side force powers you will fall to the dark side.[/QUOTE ]

You will..
"Once you go down the dark path, Forever dominate your destiny it will.." -- Yoda

The dark side can't corrupt somebody without that person becoming evil, Jolee was still serving by your side as a jedi, He never became evil..


Irrelevant, She was sith and was only hiding it.. How can she be a master of both light & dark by doing so?

yeah, Revan didnt fall though, he simply used the dark side as a last resort because the flashpoint group means serious business, he drags them in at 5% hp or so, speaks and then he splodes into a ball of lightnong, come to think of it, he was linked to the emperor, galaxies strongest force user after the Infernal One, for 300 years, had an open roof above himself and his body dissapears without a trace, that sounbds like Force teleportation which DOES exist in the Star Wars universe which is so geniusly proven by the Empire at war strategy games which also shows a frozen carbonite sith trooper army, troopers wearing the armor of REVANS sith empire, Revan aint done yet, he still has a part to play in this story

No, Revan fell even before the fight. He fell when he was constructing an unstoppable army to commit GENOCIDE on the people of the Sith Empire. HK-47 even tells us that he intends to wipe out 97% of the Imperial population and that is most definetly NOT something a Jedi does unless they have completely gone off the deep end towards the Dark Side. Saving the Republic or not, he was following the same path he had during the Mandalorian Wars on an even greater scale because "the ends justify the means". He was deluded.

He was flawed, he deluded himself into believing he had successfully mastered both sides of the Force just because he had been 'redeemed' once and thus thought he was forever incorruptible no matter what he did. It was history repeating itself until our Empire characters stopped him. Being banged up by the Emperor for three hundred years and used as a slush puppy likely didn't do much for his mental state.

[QUOTE=_Zorth_;2249597]I never said jolee is evil i said he is still light side even if people are saying he is "grey" and I did say that kriea is dark side because people say that kriea is "grey" when she is clearly not if you play the game.

Plus I said that dark side force powers does corrupt you I think you need to read my post again. As I said the dark side corrupts, maybe I should of been more clear in my post.

I haven't read through all the posts, but I just wanted to add my two cents.

Last week I finished reading the Revan book and quite enjoyed it, even if it ended a bit inconclusively. I had no idea that the story was going to be finished in SWTOR, and that my character would have the opportunity to be involved. When I played The Foundry for the first time my jaw hit the floor and I was grinning like a loon.

Judging from the first couple of pages a lot of people didn't like it, but I thought it was awesome. Different strokes...

As stated above:

The Jedi Order came into being after the Force Wars (which will feature in an upcoming comic book), in which followers of the Ashla (Light Side) and followers of the Bogun (Dark Side) waged war on Tython. The Jedi Consular story in TOR actually goes into this a little bit during the Tython class arc. After the defeat of the Dark Siders, the Light Siders left Tython and formed the Jedi Order on Ossus.

Look up some information about the Great Schisms. In each of these, the Dark Side gains some popularity, and then the Light Siders smack them down. The Second Great Schism is the one in which the Light Siders ousted the Dark Siders, who found the Sith species, and the history is well known from there. Looking at the history, the Jedi Order has never had any patience with the Dark Side of the Force, and has actively tried to suppress it.

Luke's case is kind of special. Lucas was intentionally mysterious in Return of the Jedi. He was creating tension. Luke was dressed in black, he choked Gamorreans (a move made popular by Vader), he threatened Jabba the Hutt's life, and the audience was wondering if Luke had indeed gone to his father's side. Then, we see his lightsaber ignite in a non-red color, and the crowd cheers because Luke hadn't fallen, and he was still the hero. (This was before the lightsaber-building scene that can be found on the blu-rays. It's an interesting scene, but I think the movie works better without it).

In the EU, Luke actually falls to the Dark Side for a time and becomes the apprentice of the "reborn" Palpatine. He was eventually redeemed, however. Luke had a bit of a different view of the universe than the Jedi did, however. He knew that love saved and redeemed people, rather than causing them to fall. He was not, however, a "grey Jedi." He plainly and frequently spoke out against the Dark Side, and he warned his students not to give in to the easy path.

Anakin did bring balance to the Force ... by killing the Emperor and subsequently dying himself. To George Lucas, the Dark Side was itself the corruption of the Force. The natural state of the Force is balance, and the Dark Side (for lack of a better word) unbalances it. It's not about equal parts Light and Dark. Balance, when it comes to the Force, is the eradication of the Dark Side.

Now, the EU tells us that there still were some Dark Side practitioners out there, like Jerec and his crew, the Nightsisters, and so on. But, as far as the movies go, Return of the Jedi saw the destruction of the Sith, and the Force was in balance again.