Nerf Ops really?

yah i know... Sins/Shadows are a good example of a PROPERLY balanced stealth class.

They will win most of the time, but no fight vs a 100% health target is *ever* a forgone conclusion for a shadow/sin.. I know because I beat them often enough, i also know when its a GOOD assassin they will drag out the fight long enough that, short of some lucky crits, I will lose eventually because thier damage in melee is superior to what i can output

No shadow in their right mind would go into a fight with half health and expect to win, because htye have to EARN every kill...

Playing as my OP however I can go into a fight with half health and know if I crit on my opener, the fights in my favor and ill *probably* win.

That should no longer be a viable option in 1.1.1, if i go into a fight on my OP without full health, i expect my burst wont balance out the fight and ill lose..

Suits me just fine. I like a challenge

45 Operative here.
We only win under very specific circumstances\situations. There is no way we are OP compared to some of the other classes.

Ops are one of the most blatantly broken classes I've ever seen in an MMO - rivaled only by my Barbarian in Age of Conan. If you can not see that, you are simply being biased and not looking at it Objectively. Killing tier 3 tanks in an initial stun isn't normal, but for ops, it is. The change is necessary, and you'll live.

Bioware isn't picking your class to nerf from a game of inny-minny-miny-moe. Nor are they choosing to do it based on forum posts (or they'd nerf EVERY class - look around). They have actual data, TONS of it, and that is what is influencing this choice.

Full disclosure: my main is a sniper, my alt is an Operative.

I don't play an Op, but my gf does. My opinion on the subject is, they should give it a little time, now that buff stacking has been fixed, and see if the problem still exists. We don't PvP much, but those nerfs will severely hurt Ops in PvE.

I don't want to start a flame war (which apparently is already happening), but that set of "very specific circumstances/situations" pretty much always includes

1) You being stealthed
2) Burst critting me for a large amount of my health right away
3) Stun me and continue to crit attack
4) Me using my stunbreak (if even available with it's 1min 30 second cooldown)
5) Immediately stunning me again in a stunlock to finish the job


Long story short, all haters are going to hate. I'm a BH and I guarantee they're going to nerf the tracer missle next due to all the noob BH's spamming that ability (which is unfortunate for legitimate players who use it as intended to lower armor and lead into combos)

4) Me using my stunbreak (if even available with it's 1min 30 second cooldown)
5) Immediately stunning me again in a stunlock to finish the job

Keep exagerating, as long as you are part of the sorceror/sage mayority, Mythic and Bioware will do as you say and end up destroying this game too.

I don't want to start a flame war (which apparently is already happening), but that set of "very specific circumstances/situations" pretty much always includes

1) You being stealthed
2) Burst critting me for a large amount of my health right away
3) Stun me and continue to crit attack
4) Me using my stunbreak (if even available with it's 1min 30 second cooldown)
5) Immediately stunning me again in a stunlock to finish the job


Long story short, all haters are going to hate. I'm a BH and I guarantee they're going to nerf the tracer missle next due to all the noob BH's spamming that ability (which is unfortunate for legitimate players who use it as intended to lower armor and lead into combos)

How exactly are we doing number 5? This tells me you don't know what you're talking about. When we stun you out of stealth it fills your resolve bar. You can no longer be stunned by ANYONE. We can only stun people for 3 seconds and we're lucky if we have you below half health after those 3 seconds. You make it sound like every hit we do is a crit.

I admit I'm not 50, so maybe we do crit a lot more at end game. Can anyone honestly say we are OP since the Buff Stacking nerf?

I don't want to start a flame war (which apparently is already happening), but that set of "very specific circumstances/situations" pretty much always includes

1) You being stealthed
2) Burst critting me for a large amount of my health right away
3) Stun me and continue to crit attack
4) Me using my stunbreak (if even available with it's 1min 30 second cooldown)
5) Immediately stunning me again in a stunlock to finish the job


Long story short, all haters are going to hate. I'm a BH and I guarantee they're going to nerf the tracer missle next due to all the noob BH's spamming that ability (which is unfortunate for legitimate players who use it as intended to lower armor and lead into combos)