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Nerf Ops really?


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slonep
01.27.2012 , 10:44 AM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
you just won't be assured a kill like you are now.
100% agree

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DasWsup
01.27.2012 , 10:47 AM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by Trilella View Post
So glad you all got nerfed.

I am a 50 Pure Healer in all Champion gear and you guys was killing me before the nerf in 3-4 hits of that one skill you all liked to spam. I could not even heal through it and yet you do not think it needed nerfed, gimmie a break.

Powertech is next and that tracer missile garbage, 3-4 hits from that and I am dead, can't wait for that nerf too.
prime example of not knowing what you are talking about...

so what you are saying is now you don't get killed in 3-4 shots like you used to. Congrats! however you should know a small detail... the nerf isn't live yet! which is a prime example that the new brackets and biochem nerf is working!


<here's where you try and twist what you said>

Ps. Powertechs should get tracer missle nerfed! wait whaaa?
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Monkeyfinger
01.27.2012 , 10:52 AM | #43
Quote: Originally Posted by Trilella View Post
So glad you all got nerfed.

I am a 50 Pure Healer in all Champion gear and you guys was killing me before the nerf in 3-4 hits of that one skill you all liked to spam. I could not even heal through it and yet you do not think it needed nerfed, gimmie a break.

Powertech is next and that tracer missile garbage, 3-4 hits from that and I am dead, can't wait for that nerf too.
Actually, I think you're class is next judging from all the sage/soc complaint threads in these forums.

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lordhaizen
01.27.2012 , 11:05 AM | #44
Serious ?

Finally

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TUXs
01.27.2012 , 11:07 AM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by MaglorArcanist View Post
Assured? if you are a op/sco and someone use a CC breaker, knoback you, snare you, you are dead, in the actual way, you have to burn your 2min cooldonw or be kited to death.

With the change the stun is long as a GCD, sò i give you a immunity to my CC for what?

My open is nerfed of 20% of the damage and the critical damage.
I can't cath you, and if i am visible, and someone with you help you i am dead.

If i catch you and you have someone near who wake up and stun me after the opener i am actual still near free valor.



If some people go around lonely, with they shield down (i spek of inquisitors) and don't use they class abilityes and cc breaker is a my fault?
Wait...lol

So, you argue that right now, IF I use my snare breaker AND I use pushback and then I snare YOU, that THEN you have to burn your 2 min cooldown to live?

What the hell lol?! I've burned THREE 2min cd specials just to escape your *shing*shing* of certain death and you whine that you MAY have to burn a cooldown if all my cooldowns are in perfect order, of which NONE ever are?

And come on lol, this is exactly what I mean, so thank you for proving my point...OPs think they should be guaranteed a kill - you whine that you may die if someone HELPS me...you SHOULD die 2v1. "I" die 2v1. I'm betting MOST people die 2v1...unless of course they have stealth. Stealth is SUCH an advantage that you guys completely ignore. EVERY OTHER PLAYER I see and plan for. Not OPs.

Again, stealth + alpha 1st strikes are ALWAYS overpowered. ALWAYS!!! Toss in roots and snares and it's a pathetic joke right now.
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LordZanos
01.27.2012 , 11:11 AM | #46
Shields are considered heals, so yes they are on the scorecard.

Also, pics of 600k damage, because unless s/he was full BM and the opposing team completely ignore him/her as s/he shelled out damage, I find that hard to believe.

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MaglorArcanist
01.27.2012 , 11:18 AM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by TUXs View Post
Wait...lol

So, you argue that right now, IF I use my snare breaker AND I use pushback and then I snare YOU, that THEN you have to burn your 2 min cooldown to live?

What the hell lol?! I've burned THREE 2min cd specials just to escape your *shing*shing* of certain death and you whine that you MAY have to burn a cooldown if all my cooldowns are in perfect order, of which NONE ever are?

And come on lol, this is exactly what I mean, so thank you for proving my point...OPs think they should be guaranteed a kill - you whine that you may die if someone HELPS me...you SHOULD die 2v1. "I" die 2v1. I'm betting MOST people die 2v1...unless of course they have stealth. Stealth is SUCH an advantage that you guys completely ignore. EVERY OTHER PLAYER I see and plan for. Not OPs.

Again, stealth + alpha 1st strikes are ALWAYS overpowered. ALWAYS!!! Toss in roots and snares and it's a pathetic joke right now.
1) 2 mins out of game, or next try is sure suicide
2) i haven't a chance to do something other, i cant catch you, i can't defend me, the ONE cooldown who all depend my life is 1, and if i am force dotted, i am dead.
3) if i am caught off stealth for casual aoe, casual spotting, casual cc, i have no chance less than die, in 80%.
4) you dosn't have a guard and a tank near.
5) you have to have removed your cc breaker or be a sleeep

So i have to chase you lonely of with some people with the brain shout down.
I have to be not casual detected or kicked out of stealth (and if you are near fight it happens a LOT of time), i have to open and be indisturbated (usually someone scream in ts/ventrilo and i get focus fired) and if all this condition MEET, i have my free kill.

After this i flee becouse still fight is useless, and if i am luky, casual aoe/detect/cc don't caugh me and i have time to go OUT the fight, wait the next chance, and try again.

IF i can't kill you in this short time i have few energy, 2 defence jokes who laugh at me, and be naturally focused fire in 2 seconds by all the enemys around me.


And you find this all is a free kill? if you work with your party you can resolve easly the "operative/scoundrel" problem, try to work in team no?
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Mazikeen
01.27.2012 , 11:34 AM | #48
Quote: Originally Posted by Yzhual View Post
Try to deal 5k crits + 3k crit with a sorc while the other one is stuned in the ground.
Try to insta-CC someone in combat or CC them every time you shock them with an Op
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Jagerinho
01.27.2012 , 11:45 AM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by MaglorArcanist View Post
1) 2 mins out of game, or next try is sure suicide

You aren't out of the game though, its like saying I'm out of the game because I'm waiting for force cloak to finish (2 min cooldown as well)

2) i haven't a chance to do something other, i cant catch you, i can't defend me, the ONE cooldown who all depend my life is 1, and if i am force dotted, i am dead.

Can't really be more subjective can you.


3) if i am caught off stealth for casual aoe, casual spotting, casual cc, i have no chance less than die, in 80%.

Subjective

4) you dosn't have a guard and a tank near.
5) you have to have removed your cc breaker or be a sleeep

So i have to chase you lonely of with some people with the brain shout down.
I have to be not casual detected or kicked out of stealth (and if you are near fight it happens a LOT of time), i have to open and be indisturbated (usually someone scream in ts/ventrilo and i get focus fired) and if all this condition MEET, i have my free kill.

After this i flee becouse still fight is useless, and if i am luky, casual aoe/detect/cc don't caugh me and i have time to go OUT the fight, wait the next chance, and try again.

IF i can't kill you in this short time i have few energy, 2 defence jokes who laugh at me, and be naturally focused fire in 2 seconds by all the enemys around me.


And you find this all is a free kill? if you work with your party you can resolve easly the "operative/scoundrel" problem, try to work in team no?

Why don't you try working with your party instead of relying on your OP Burst?
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TUXs
01.27.2012 , 11:52 AM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by MaglorArcanist View Post
1) 2 mins out of game, or next try is sure suicide
2) i haven't a chance to do something other, i cant catch you, i can't defend me, the ONE cooldown who all depend my life is 1, and if i am force dotted, i am dead.
3) if i am caught off stealth for casual aoe, casual spotting, casual cc, i have no chance less than die, in 80%.
4) you dosn't have a guard and a tank near.
5) you have to have removed your cc breaker or be a sleeep

So i have to chase you lonely of with some people with the brain shout down.
I have to be not casual detected or kicked out of stealth (and if you are near fight it happens a LOT of time), i have to open and be indisturbated (usually someone scream in ts/ventrilo and i get focus fired) and if all this condition MEET, i have my free kill.

After this i flee becouse still fight is useless, and if i am luky, casual aoe/detect/cc don't caugh me and i have time to go OUT the fight, wait the next chance, and try again.

IF i can't kill you in this short time i have few energy, 2 defence jokes who laugh at me, and be naturally focused fire in 2 seconds by all the enemys around me.


And you find this all is a free kill? if you work with your party you can resolve easly the "operative/scoundrel" problem, try to work in team no?
So...that was a "yes" to my previous comments...good.

Listen mate, you can pretend you're squishy, you aren't. EVERYONE who is focused on is squishy. The highest DPS on any team is (almost) always a scoundrel or OP and chances are it's twice the second highest DPS.

OPs are NOT gimped, this nerf is MINOR, you'll still win 70-80% of the fights you won before - I'm sorry, but all this whining DAILY is just crazy lol!

If you guys TRULY were worried about your PvE or survivability after this nerf, you guys would be asking for SURVIVABILITY adjustments...not just your I WIN damage back.


Ya know what, I'll make you a bet that even AFTER this update, the good OPs will STILL lead the DPS charts and STILL lead in k/d ratios. This MINOR adjustment is being so overly blown out of proportion it's silly.
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