PvP - How it is ...deal with it

I've dealt with it, I unsubbed

Then why are you still posting here?

Then why are you still posting here?

B.S. in Psychology, Masters in Social Work, Licensed Clinical Social Worker. I've forgotten more about psychology that you probably know. I also cut out the wall of text because it is just too much to respond to but I'll make a few points...

-You discuss the purpose is to progress your character, which is true. But character progression doesn't have to be gear based, and certainly doesn't have to be super exceptionally gear based. Go ahead and give the uber-nerd a reason to play 200 hours and have "better" gear-- but you don't have to go and make it *game breaking*.

-You say that "eventually people will get there". This makes a lot of assumptions, and there are lots of people that won't get there. Who? The people that come across a mirror class, play better than them, but get stomped because of gear. If gear progression was less severe, this wouldn't be an issue and that newer toon would have *a chance*. Right now, they do not. There are a lot of people that will either go back to playing a previous game or move onto a new game because IT IS NOT FUN. As I said previously, you should not have to continue to run up the mountain just to be *competitive*.

-Additionally, I don't think many people would be shocked when the Dev's "move the goalposts" in a few months. New ranks and gear will probably come out. If not, you might then begin to see the "battlemaster vets" start to complain about "nothing new", especially when more people begin to have similar gear and they can't uber-2shot people.

I replied to someone complaining about expertise in another thread and wanted to repost it here.

First of all expertise is the stat that is rewarded on the gear of a PvP player...(ya i know you know this ).... More TIME you sink in the more of it you get.

So exertise is a defining stat of how much time one has spent playing.
So the guy that currently is lvl 50 that is living his life in the battleground is beating the crap outta the guy that just turned 50....And alot of ppl are whining cause he has more gear and its not fair. Here's how it works for you players that want to play very little and be rewarded for simply logging on:

Player A spends 10 hours a week playing this game. Player B spends 168 hours a week playing this game. Player A things he should be at the same normalized gear level as Player B? I think NOT.

Player A may be a better player and have more skill then Player B but Player B has more time to sink in and to get geared out so he can stomp Player A early game. Player A logs on forums yaps off in general chat and all in all just complains about how unfair the game is but in reality Player A needs to play for another 158 hours to catch up to Player B in gear.

A month or 2 go buy....
Player A is now as geared as Player B. The battle continues and Player B can't hold a candle to the might of Player A's skill. Player B now comes to the forums and pisses whines moans and complains cause Player A is now playing an "overpowered" class.

Another month goes buy...
Player C installs the game runs into Player B......the battle rages on.

Like every other MMO in exsistence ...there is a time commitment made and one that has to be achieved before you can be all crazy geared out regardless of how skiled you think you are. (most of you are terrible and are still learning to throw the ball and not stand on edges where warriors can leap at you).

Side Note: World PvP -- (not illum i'm mean actuall world pvp) - STOP ************ IF YOU GET CAMPED ON A PVP SERVER! ---- you rolled on a pvp server if someone wants to be a douche bag and pin you down and your to stupid to learn how to get away from them thats your problem and you shoulda rolled on a PvE server.

Fix the week to hour conversion rofl

When you have level 10 to 49 achieving a more competative balance than a single level does because of the gear they get then there is clearly a problem with that gear. Does that concept not register with people or is it just those who have all the gear and dont want to lose their advantage that 'dont get it'.

I like what you have to say, for the most part...

I just want to quote you on these because I just read this and have to agree that GW2 is probably more suited for you, and I know for me as well, but I would expect someone that is ideally looking for an equal, skill based playing field to not be so heavily in favor of pampering current kings of the hill.

And attacking people like me, who think expertise is a joke and a lame excuse for game design (separation from PvE/PvP gear is necessary though) doesn't show me squat.

All I see is negativity, and it's a shame because you probably have some good ideas based on your keen taste in PvP styles.

Look , no flamewars wanted, and I agree that the fix is not here on the forums yet but work together to find on hence a FORUM!

If what you say is true about the stats on battlemaster gear still blowing starter 50 gear out of the water (sans expertise) then that sounds like THE solution to me.

Good players are rewarded with better gear, PvEs can compete if they so chose, and beginners have MORE of a level playing field knowing they are working towards (albeit aimlessly) their best gear available.

The reason I "Attack" you (even though I didn't say anything about you in this post) is 'cause you guys attack others.

There is a reason the resilience went into WoW and it isn't because of what the other guy was saying about keeping people alive. That was a side effect of it. If you go into the history of WoW and look at the REAL REASON why Resilience went into it is because too many players were rocking the best Raid Gear and destroying everybody in PvP. Thus it became required to have the best Raid Gear (which isn't easy and requires a full guild) to compete "fairly" in PvP. Thus they added Expertise, which made it so PvP gear was better for PvP than PvE gear.

So exertise is a defining stat of how much time one has spent playing.