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Sorcerers are becoming the next Bright Wizards

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Sorcerers are becoming the next Bright Wizards

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Asnine
01.27.2012 , 10:43 AM | #251
I just want to chime in and say that sorcs are nowhere near as OP as BW's were in WAR.

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whitescorpion
01.27.2012 , 10:51 AM | #252
This is funny, because i had a 40/80 BW and 40/80 sorc in warhammer and i can tell you that sorcerer's in Warhammer were more OP than BW's...

Yes bw's AOE was better until they nerfed one of thier abilities a couple years ago... but sorcs burst was boom bam boom dead... I used to get 30+ DB's in sc's lol....

Anyways i play a Sorc in this game... And while i do think sorcs are good, i think they are the most balanced class in the game, not the most OP... there is a huge difference in that thought process....

Some classes have high DPS, Some have high survivalbility, Some have Epic heals... A sorc is well balanced and has a little bit of everything...

Every game i have ever played has a class like this... this game is no different in that regards, instead of complaining, just roll a sorc!

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Cambiata
01.27.2012 , 10:56 AM | #253
Quote: Originally Posted by Rallic View Post
Might it be that you just need to try and learn how to PvP?

As a sorc is nothing more the a Jedi , do a tun less dps then your soldier or merc . No burst at all . We have good cc , and a dam nice shield . In light armor that ships is what keeps us from just falling over dead.
13k life ya when mist dps classes can hit for 6k we go fast.
Yep op as all hells we are , and iv got a nice bridge to sell you.
This is why people should try playing other classes; because only playing one blinds you to what your class really is.

I've rolled one of each class, currently my only lvl 50 is a Jedi Guardian tank.

My level 15 sage and lvl 11 smuggler are already able to last longer in PVP than my geared up tank (mostly champion gear, a few pieces of Columi because I haven't gotten a chest, shield, or earpiece pvp drop yet) has ever been.

You think that because you die fast, that means it's balanced. I've got news for you: guardian (and jugg) tanks die damn fast, too. Having more HP is meaningless. It's like saying that even though you have a hole in the bottom of your cup, you started out with more water in the cup than other people, so it's OK.

So both you and I lose health at the same rate, since shields and armor do nothing except against basic attacks. But additionally you can damage me from 30 meters, and I can't even leap to you until I'm within 15m. Then once I do, most of my attacks are weapon damage so they're mitigated, but you continue doing damage to me that is completly unmitigatable; I may as well be naked. Further more, because I am a melee tank, I have to stay in the center of the action at all times to draw fire, while you can hide behind a column or up on balcony and destroy the squishy tanks, and we can't get near you (because of the 30m damage range).

Like I said, my LEVEL 15 sage was tearing apart level 40s in pvp last night, and surviving longer than my tank usually does... I don't even have all the skills yet and my sage is already crazy overpowered in pvp.

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HBninjaX
01.27.2012 , 11:01 AM | #254
that bright wizard fiasco was so horrid /shudder

I think that was one of the things that made me lose interest in the game, on top of the 'he who zergs, wins' gameplay

oh and the severly broken endgame

i did roll a witch elf though, so i had my fun too

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salamanderx
01.27.2012 , 11:03 AM | #255
Love my merc but I am jealous that they can sprint with the ball like that... huttball is mostly my pvp so that is important!


edit: I did enjoy Warhammer online too! But all that super high damage area of effect stuff was just redonkulous.
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GutPunch
01.27.2012 , 11:14 AM | #256
Quote: Originally Posted by XenonParsec View Post
Look, another one of these threads. OP, like every other person qqing about Sorc, simply needs to practice PvP.

shield lasts through one dps rotation. So, in about 6s, you can burn down the shield. You then have 14 seconds to pump out enough dps to kill a cloth-wearing caster. Can't do it? Ur Bad.

Force Lightning has no CD for most hybrid dps specs, and procs our insta-casts. See a Sorc spamming FL? He's trying to proc an instant cast. Get LOS, interrupt, or cc. Can't do it? Ur Bad.

Healing spec Sorcs have mediocre dps and healing hybrid specs are rare. Is a Sorc healing through all your damage? Great. That means he's not healing his team, and a ball carrier/bomb planter/turret capture is getting wasted by focus fire. Either switch targets, or call the focus on the healer. Can't do it? Ur Bad.

A specific spec is needed to get all the CC a Sorc has, and most of it procs from used abilities. Blind happens when our shield is blown up, and lasts 3s. It's melee ranged. Our pbaoe knockback has to be spec'd to root you, and lasts for 5s, assuming you're not getting damaged, otherwise it's 2. You should be geared enough to whether one or two whole GCD's worth of time the Sorc has to dps you. Can't do it? Ur Bad.

I know most people want to cover up the fact that they suck at pvp by saying "omg, sorcs are everywhere, therefore OP!!11!1!" but it's just not reality. Sorcs are not the class doing 4.5k+ crits over the course of one knockdown, coming out of stealth. Sorcs are not the class spamming 1 (one) ability while wearing heavy armor doing the same amount of dps as Sorc, more even. Sorc is not the class spider healing in heavy armor turtling doors or turrets while spamming one dps ability. Most of you are whiners that need practice, that is all.
+1. Have a sorc problem? Click your open mic button and tell your team to focus him. He will be gone in no time fast! Channeled heals and a small HP buffer can't fix low HP, light armor, and interrupts. There is a definate counter - you just have to not be a bad.
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Cambiata
01.27.2012 , 11:19 AM | #257
Quote: Originally Posted by GutPunch View Post
+1. Have a sorc problem? Click your open mic button and tell your team to focus him. He will be gone in no time fast! Channeled heals and a small HP buffer can't fix low HP, light armor, and interrupts. There is a definate counter - you just have to not be a bad.
Of course if you send a group after one person, they'll go down fast. That works for all classes.

The point is that I can solo kill a jugg or guardian. I can't even get near a sorc while they're destroying me as if I had no armor. Heck, if 2 melee classes go after a single sorc, they'll still die before destroying the sorc.

This reminds me of the "if you put a healbot on a jugg/guardian tank, then they're unstoppable!" Well duh, so is anyone else. It's like you guys have no idea how PVP works or something.

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Muldias
01.27.2012 , 12:02 PM | #258
Quote: Originally Posted by Rallic View Post

I can brake the 300k dps Mark and 60ish kills on my L15gunslinger .
No you can't, and don't try and wave your little e-peen here.
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exphryl
01.27.2012 , 12:04 PM | #259
Some builds, can't kill a healing sorc. Just can't.

For example, as a PT both AP and ST Hybrids can't.

When I spec Pyro I melt their face though with insane burst.

Some specs are better then others. Nerf crying because you can't figure that out makes for an idiotic forum.

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Eludajae
01.27.2012 , 12:17 PM | #260
Quote: Originally Posted by Barrechor View Post
Its not growing pains m8. The class is overpowered in its current form and anyone with half a braincell knows it.

The only people who deny it are the Sorcs themselves and they arent biased much.
SI is not over powered, you want over powered Imperial Operative & Scoundrel are over powered.

You must play a trooper, you do know that SI's were purposely made to give troopers a hard time in pvp right?

every class as a rival class.
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