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*SPOILERS*Why was Revan and so much in kotor retconned

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*SPOILERS*Why was Revan and so much in kotor retconned

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Smackwell
01.26.2012 , 02:14 PM | #61
Quote: Originally Posted by Ignotis View Post
A handful of mid level characters can kill ONE OF THE STRONGEST FORCE USERS IN THE GAME WHO MASTERED BOTH SIDES OF THE FORCE, DESTROYED THE MANDALORIANS AND DEFEATED THE SITH.
The problem is that "Level" is an abstract thing. You never see anyone in a Star Wars video game say something like "You fool, I'm twenty levels above you! How do you ever hope to beat me!"

Your characters in the game aren't mid-level. They're just dudes. Tough dudes, tricky dudes, clever dudes, whatever. And Revan, he's another dude. He might have been a powerful dude, but in "real life" terms, he doesn't have 40,000 more hit points than you do. You don't have to chop at his arm 40 times with a vibroblade before it cuts it clean off.
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Lheim
01.26.2012 , 04:40 PM | #62
Quote: Originally Posted by Smackwell View Post
The problem is that "Level" is an abstract thing. You never see anyone in a Star Wars video game say something like "You fool, I'm twenty levels above you! How do you ever hope to beat me!"

Your characters in the game aren't mid-level. They're just dudes. Tough dudes, tricky dudes, clever dudes, whatever. And Revan, he's another dude. He might have been a powerful dude, but in "real life" terms, he doesn't have 40,000 more hit points than you do. You don't have to chop at his arm 40 times with a vibroblade before it cuts it clean off.
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Luminen
01.26.2012 , 06:22 PM | #63
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Agreed. Even if he's been through 300 years of losing his power, He's supposed to be this great character, even before that in his book he's beaten by the Emperor, again. Sure, he lasted and fought well against him, but the book kinda made him, and the Jedi Exile seem weak. I mean, they hade the Jedi Exile get easily backstabbed, and don't show off their super above average force abilities.
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longgrassgrows
01.27.2012 , 03:46 AM | #64
since when is Revan dead...Bioware is obviously not finished with Revan so there is no point to this discussion
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Foxfirega
01.27.2012 , 03:52 AM | #65
Quote: Originally Posted by GrandMasterOdin View Post
2. You killed Revan, and he's now one with the force? Really? Did his cloak, armor, and mask got left behind after the purple flash of light just like Obi-Wan's robes did when he was struck down or ... http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Fold_space
Direct counter.

It's still up in the air whether he is or isn't gone. We have two polar opposite examples of this occuring, too - Shaak Ti (lightside) and Sidious (darkside), so no matter what side of the Force he was on at the time of the incident has precedent for unleashing an energy burst upon death.

Did he die, or vanish? I honestly hope it's the former, because while I loved KotOR 1/2, I'm tired of getting Revan smashed in my face in-game as it is. I get why they did it, but that doesn't make it any more or less tiresome to hear him come up.

I see his name and just mash 'space' at this point. It's sometimes terrifying what over-saturation can do...
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CrymzenSith
01.27.2012 , 05:01 AM | #66
i personaly do not think he is dead, if you think about it, Revan has been the flagship character for Bioware when it comes to kotor..even in kotor 2 people wanted to see revan..they wanted to gain influence with krea so they could get information on what happend to revan..

the other character was also Meetra (the exile) but its been said in the book and shown in swtor that she is infact dead, if there is one character bioware would strive to keep alive and use for more content it will be Revan. alot of people play swtor as Kotor 3 and not an MMO and bioware understand that so it wouldnt make sence for them to kill off the character that everyone grew to love so much.

atleast not this early anyway..perhaps he finaly will meet his end sometime in later content but for now i think he is still alive. i apreciate the guy aboves mes point but i think Bioware would give revan a death to be remembered...not just POOF! im dead..

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_Zorth_
01.27.2012 , 07:46 AM | #67


Few mid leveled random characters?..
Let me tell you who defeated Revan, The canon part of the story is that an IA, BH, SW and SI defeated Revan. So in reality who killed Revan were..

Spoiler


Revan.. I don't even understand why he be so special, Just like many others he saw both sides of the force. Still dont understand what "mastering both sides of the force" means, You're either dark or light.. you canät be both at the same time, if you are what does that mean?

"Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.." -- Yoda

The above is 100% fact that Revan CANNOT control both sides of the force, he's always either dark or light.. No way you can be both at the same time. The only reason he's seems to be so popular is because he's our little Mary Sue, the character we connect with.
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RoadtoArkham
01.27.2012 , 09:06 AM | #68
Quote: Originally Posted by _Zorth_ View Post


Few mid leveled random characters?..
Let me tell you who defeated Revan, The canon part of the story is that an IA, BH, SW and SI defeated Revan. So in reality who killed Revan were..

Spoiler


Revan.. I don't even understand why he be so special, Just like many others he saw both sides of the force. Still dont understand what "mastering both sides of the force" means, You're either dark or light.. you canät be both at the same time, if you are what does that mean?

"Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.." -- Yoda

The above is 100% fact that Revan CANNOT control both sides of the force, he's always either dark or light.. No way you can be both at the same time. The only reason he's seems to be so popular is because he's our little Mary Sue, the character we connect with.
In that light...yeah, my Agent could take him. Revan was me...my Agent is me.

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Rabrac
01.27.2012 , 09:50 AM | #69
What makes Revan special is exactly his mastery of light and dark. He is the exception that proves the rule. I also think that he just vanishes for the simple reason that it makes no sense to bring him back just to be a mid level raid boss. They definately have some plan for him.

Killing HK-47 was much much worse though. Seriously i love that droid and i really hope he gets reassembled somehow.

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WickedDjinn
01.27.2012 , 10:00 AM | #70
Quote: Originally Posted by _Zorth_ View Post


Few mid leveled random characters?..
Let me tell you who defeated Revan, The canon part of the story is that an IA, BH, SW and SI defeated Revan. So in reality who killed Revan were..

Spoiler


Revan.. I don't even understand why he be so special, Just like many others he saw both sides of the force. Still dont understand what "mastering both sides of the force" means, You're either dark or light.. you canät be both at the same time, if you are what does that mean?

"Once you go down the dark path, forever will it dominate your destiny.." -- Yoda

The above is 100% fact that Revan CANNOT control both sides of the force, he's always either dark or light.. No way you can be both at the same time. The only reason he's seems to be so popular is because he's our little Mary Sue, the character we connect with.

Actually you can. The original Jedi used both sides of the force.

Hell, Luke Skywalker ends up being that way, after the original films timeline.

Remember, it was Anakin who was supposed to bring balance to the force before he fell.