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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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Trushott
01.27.2012 , 09:37 AM | #851
Quote: Originally Posted by SnoggyMack View Post
I get that. But this general topic has come up in the past. And in those discussions, I've tried to make the point that there will be situations where one class is rolling need for an item and another class is rolling need for a mod. And the example I tend to use is +Crit. Because there are benefits to +Crit for both healers and DPS.

And so there will be a situation where two classes NEED the item for an upgrade. One might wear the item. One might mod strip it. But the need is genuine.

And people still flip out and get huffy about it.

Which means, to me, this type of discussion isn't about being fair. It's about loot drama. You typical loot drama that crops in these games alllllllllllll the time.

You are going to meet a healer one day who finally realizes that an upgrade to crit is going to help them heal better. And that might be the day that some DPS class totally wigs out on the healer because ... duh ... they're DPS and crit is their big thing.

And now you're stuck in a loot drama situation where a healer has to try to explain why they want to need on an item?

It's just silly.

These items are all rolled on. There's equal chance to win. But it's always going to be a situation where someone lost and is upset about losing.

/sigh

absolute best post of the thread

there are many items with a mod that has no primary stat but rather say Endurance and one or more of the secondary stats that make for a huge upgreade for a lot of different classes .... if there is a mod in the item that is a huge upgrade for anyone they need and should roll regardless of what the first mod in the items main stat shows

the above is of course my humble opinion ... but many people playing do not fully understand the power of switching and swapping mods
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 09:37 AM | #852
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
Entitlement is thinking everything that drops is some how yours regardless of your team mates needs.
No, entitlement is thinking anything that drops is some how yours before the roll happens. Period.

It's entitlement even if the stats are numerically more favorable than the piece of gear you are currently wearing.


And didn't I just respond to the rest of this?

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 09:38 AM | #853
**totally greedy people will roll on everything; they expect everyone to be like themselves and expect everyone to to do the same.**

They're not greedy. They are just as entitled to that loot as anyone else. Quit trying to push your sense of greed toward other people. Maybe they needed something that they couldn't afford on the GTN and all for those pieces they needed on will give them the credits to do so?

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 09:42 AM | #854
Quote: Originally Posted by Black_Rabbit View Post
Huge plot hole there:

What if you go for pass because it is a class item that will work on a party member, but this person actually do not really need it, because he is already wearing something better?

Why is he entitled to sponge on top of an item he is going to sell and I have to pass on it? We should both have the same chances at getting it, after all we share loot money equally, and an item that is going to be sold is only loot money.

If it's an item that's intended for his class and it's an upgrade, I be considerate in pass. If they're already wearing that item or better, I normally ask if it's ok if I need for me companion if I need it. Otherwise, I just greed and forget about it. If I win it, great, I'll vendor it for credits. If not, no big deal. I, personally, greed on anything I don't need. I'll even try to tell people to need for their companions if it's an item that I don't need, but is intended for my class. I try my best to be considerate of others, because I like running in groups and I like being social. I appreciate when they lend their time to me so I can accomplish a task and if they are rewarded with an upgrade because of it, I congratulate them and move on.

I personally think needing for companions or looks blindly is a poor move. I'll ask every time.

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DavesTheName
01.27.2012 , 09:43 AM | #855
Anybody defending people who roll need on other classes gear for the mods ought to be put on their own servers where all the arseholes can live in harmony, with sith warriors needing on gear with willpower on it, and sith inquisitors needing gear with cunning.

Meanwhile the rest of us decent human beings can get on with being decent human beings.
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 09:44 AM | #856
Quote: Originally Posted by chton View Post
I find it funny the people who are telling people how they can roll don't see themselves as entitled.
I'm really just flabbergasted by this.

Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
**totally greedy people will roll on everything; they expect everyone to be like themselves and expect everyone to to do the same.**

They're not greedy.
They are actually;

You see, that's a statement about what the "totally greedy people" will do. I'm not saying that people who roll on everything are greedy. I'm saying that greedy people (they exist) will roll on everything. They're greedy in that statement by definition, because they're part of the subset of people who are totally greedy. It's pretty straightforward.

If they aren't greedy, then they aren't part of the subset of people that I'm talking about in that statement.

If you want to make the claim that there are no greedy people, then do so... but I think that's a rather indefensible position.

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They are just as entitled to that loot as anyone else.
And your point is?


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Maybe they needed something that they couldn't afford on the GTN and all for those pieces they needed on will give them the credits to do so?
Need is the wrong word. Want.

People want better stats
People want to look a certain way
People want credits.

the word "Need" is just a red herring.

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Black_Rabbit
01.27.2012 , 09:45 AM | #857
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
If it's an item that's intended for his class and it's an upgrade, I be considerate in pass. If they're already wearing that item or better, I normally ask if it's ok if I need for me companion if I need it. Otherwise, I just greed and forget about it. If I win it, great, I'll vendor it for credits. If not, no big deal. I, personally, greed on anything I don't need. I'll even try to tell people to need for their companions if it's an item that I don't need, but is intended for my class. I try my best to be considerate of others, because I like running in groups and I like being social. I appreciate when they lend their time to me so I can accomplish a task and if they are rewarded with an upgrade because of it, I congratulate them and move on.

I personally think needing for companions or looks blindly is a poor move. I'll ask every time.
Exactly my point, that is why the need/greed works perfectly.

Greed is there as the world says, to make you profit without caring, but if everyone rolls greed, then we are in the same boat and there is nothing to feel guilty about.

I never need on companions because I think that is cheap, and I do not even ask, because at level 50, you can loot "need" on everything because all of your companions can wear from light, to heavy armour, and most available weapons.

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Galbatorrix
01.27.2012 , 09:47 AM | #858
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
No, entitlement is thinking anything that drops is some how yours before the roll happens. Period.

It's entitlement even if the stats are numerically more favorable than the piece of gear you are currently wearing.


And didn't I just respond to the rest of this?

Either way, lets just agree to disagree what our definition of entitlement is. I think it's an entitled person that needs on everything regardless of who the item would benefit most and you think it's entitlement to think you should automatically win the loot that does benefit you most. We're never going to agree, so we might as well stop responding to one another.

Have a nice day.

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DarthKhaos
01.27.2012 , 09:48 AM | #859
Quote: Originally Posted by ferroz View Post
The people arguing this are masking their own sense of entitlement by calling it common courtesy/decency and demonizing the people who don't think that you're some how special and entitled to gear...
I'm sorry not everyone is like that. If I am running a flashpoint with someone of my base class and I win 2 loots then if a 3rd piece of gear that I can use drops I'm passing just so the other guy gets some loot love.

This has absolutely nothing to do with me because I can technically win two gloves drops and yank out the mods and stick it in another modable piece to upgrade that but I don't because there are other people here beside myself.
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ferroz
01.27.2012 , 09:51 AM | #860
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Either way, lets just agree to disagree what our definition of entitlement is.
No, absolutely not. This isn't an opinion that we're disagreeing about, you're just flat wrong.

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I think it's an entitled person that needs on everything regardless of who the item would benefit most and you think it's entitled to think you should win the loot that does benefit you most.
There you go again, twisting my words: I think that you have entitlement issues if you think that you should win the loot. Period. No other qualifiers are needed.

Benefit is moot, and even if it wasn't I don't agree with the way that you equate "benefit" and "has the biggest upgrade in stats"