No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

Accepted practice is that you should not press need if you don't want the item and are just going to vendor/sell it.

You should only press need on items that you want. Pressing need does not preclude other people from pressing need if they want it.

But the person I am quoting says that I am entitled to and deserving of that item just as much as anyone else in the party. If I am entitled to and deserving of the item, why should I not click 'need' every time? (Besides the knowledge that I'll get kicked out of the group for being an idiot, I mean.)

By that logic people will always, and only go for "roll", at least I would, defeating the purpose of who really needs that item (People do not want to miss out if everybody can have a shot at it, it is human nature). This has caused more animosity in the past than good.

Do not nitpick at every word I say, English is not my first language, expressions varies depending on the culture you are from, if I wrote that at the end is because I meant it, and not as a ticket to get away with anything I previously said.

Yeah, sadly common courtesy isn't so common nowadays, much like common sense.

That's why I don't really agree with accepted practice. I would prefer to get rid of the need button entirely and let the loot get distributed randomly. You could use the loot you get, trade it with someone else for what they got or sell it on the GTN so you can buy what you need.

Need-before-greed is biased against people that don't regularly upgrade their characters. If I buy a new set of gear on the GTN before coming to the group, why should that mean that people that didn't do that should get priority on loot (and therefore have more money in the bank)?

Bind-on-pickup is a problem -- so the need button could be kept for those items.

I don't play the game to have arguments about loot. That's what forums are for.

I find it funny the people who are telling people how they can roll don't see themselves as entitled, I assume they have no mirrors at home. BTW been doing this so far and never been refused from a group, I assume the dreaded "black lists" aren't working as well as advertised. Fear monger all you want, not enough people bother getting all drama queen over levelling loot. In fact I like to tell guildies who the drama queens are and not invite them, the irony is hilarious.

Entitlement is thinking everything that drops is some how yours regardless of your team mates needs. People who expect to win their classes loot drops are 99.9% of the time also people who will pass on YOUR classes loot drops. These people are the one's being fair. Not the ones that think everything is their's because Bioware gave everyone a need button. I mean, just because I have a stereo doesn't mean I have the right to blast it at 3AM and disturb my neighbors. They'd likely call the police and rightfully so. People are expected to be considerate of others in life and with MMOs beign social games, the same rules should apply.

No, people will roll on the stuff that they want, and pass on the rest.

totally greedy people will roll on everything; they expect everyone to be like themselves and expect everyone to to do the same.

totally selfless people will pass on everything; they have no expectations on what other people do.

most people will be somewhere in the middle, rolling on stuff they really want and passing on stuff they don't really want. Some will roll more than pass, some will pass more than roll. The key is to not feel entitled to the gear before you've actually won it.

And groups that want specific loot rules can still talk about it and do them with roll/pass.

I don't mean any offense; I'm just pointing out that your wording is a bit on the strong side, specifically that when you call something out as a fact you're basically saying that you're not stating an opinion.

Huge plot hole there:

What if you go for pass because it is a class item that will work on a party member, but this person actually do not really need it, because he is already wearing something better?

Why is he entitled to sponge on top of an item he is going to sell and I have to pass on it? We should both have the same chances at getting it, after all we share loot money equally, and an item that is going to be sold is only loot money.

You see, I am not greedy, I like to share, but with this system I am compelled to roll always, because I am afraid of missing out, the need button makes sure I am not stealing from someone else.

How would you know? That's the point.

I find the initial topic to be so idiotic. I'm going to roll need on a cosmetic look. Sure the stats I can't use and that guy really can use the upgrade. Screw him I want this green pantz.