No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

"I like how everything looks, it's more important than anything else to me!" means I can roll on every single thing that drops, according to you.

Are you saying that I am equally deserving of all loot, but that I shouldn't roll need on all of it? I deserve it but shouldn't try to get it?

Who's being hypocritical?

They did that when Lord of the Rings online came out, it was awful, way more fights than you see people here, luckily they changes it shortly after, roll/pass makes no sense:

How are you meant to know when to pass and when to roll?
You need it? so you go "roll" - ok, that is simple

You do not need it, What do you do? - If you roll, someone else might NEED that item, and because of your selfishness they have to miss out, and if you pass, it might be that everybody does the same so the item remains on the floor, and that is just as stupid since at least you can profit from it by selling it to other players.

As for companion rolls I do not believe we need those either, you should not roll for companions simply because every class gets a companion that can wear all the equipment in game by the time you reach 50, so by this logic you should "need" on everything because at least 1 of your companions will use it.

And when it comes down to party members, it is true you should not roll need for an item that does not belong to your class, because if it gives lots of strength while you only need Willpower, then it's a pure waste, however, I have done that a few times because the item would boost every other single attribute by +20, except my main one, so although not 100% efficient, is still 10 times better than what I was wearing, so a "need" it is fair.

Just opinions.

Actually, I'm the one saying that noone is entitled to the gear over anyone else and that if you think you're entitled to that piece of gear (for, say, it's stats) , then you're the one who's got the entitlement issue, not the people who are saying that you're not entitled to that gear.

Yes, it is. You're complaining about people being self centered and greedy while you yourself are showing being even more self centered and greedy. That's being extremely hypocritical.

so? It's more important than any stat to some.

Progression priorities aren't the correct priorities. They're just your priorities. It's not reasonable to assume that they are everyone's priorities, or to hold people to your priorities.

Ergo, it's really on you to put it out in advance that you have a specific set of priorities and expect people to abide by your arbitrary loot rules that disagree with the design of the game.

84 pages of arguing a point of common courtesy/decency. The Entitled Generation sucks.

Roll if you want it, pass if you don't, and don't feel entitled to the gear unless you've talked out the loot rolls in advance and come to an agreement. Seems easy enough to me.

I agree, though I think you should word them as such; saying things like "It's true that X" doesn't make it sound like you're posting opinions.

Certainly does. It helps you progress into looking like you want to look.

your definition of progression being bigger numbers for the sake of bigger numbers is far from the only valid definition of progress.

Nor is progress the end all be all of MMORPGs.

I don't think I've called anyone self-centered or greedy, in fact.

So, am I correct, then, that your opinion is that everyone in every group should click 'need' on every piece of loot that drops, as they are entitled and deserving of it, and any reason to click 'greed' or 'pass' is arbitrary and '[disagrees] with the design of the game'?

The people arguing this are masking their own sense of entitlement by calling it common courtesy/decency and demonizing the people who don't think that you're some how special and entitled to gear...

is this the actual definition of irony yet?

I've been waiting for soo soo long

In the words of the late Christopher Hitchens: “Well guess who’s saying it. What a fatuous remark.”

I’ve never understood the need for caveats as even if somebody asserts something as a truth then it is still their opinion that it’s a truth. Arguably, it’s still an opinion even with considerable citation as it is simply an opinion validated by fact. If somebody doesn't think it 'sounds' like an opinion then that person has curious understanding of discourse.