Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

Sorry but you seriously want to compare two products one from 2004 to one in 2011?

Yeh, and if at any poi t during that you see the product did something better 7 years ago, you will instantly realise the product from 2012 has failed from learning from others.

Oh and the major fact, if wow hadn't of been released, there wouldn't be as many playing mmo's today.

Sorry all of those who hate wow need to thank it for what mmo's are today and how many people play because of it.

Wow made playing mmo's a cool thing, not a nerdy thing.

Wow wins sorry.

Why hasn't this thread ended yet

and what exactly..IS 2012 graphics for mmos? rift? because this game has FAR better graphics than that!

"I reject reality and substitute it with my own!"

Man, now place your hand on your heart and tell me if you truly do not recall the Hogger raids.... The Hogger raids took place because servers were gone for 4 hours every seconds day. If you truly were at the beginning, you would remember that.

Then again. Recall the latency you had when the WoW started. It never went under 300 ms and servers had serious lag-spikes.

I could continue, but you got the point already.

No they had server stability issues that if you tried to open the AH you would crash the server. and i remember 5-7 hour ques not 1.5 then get in open your spell-book or character screen and crash and back to another 7 hour Que. Then with each release of a expac or content patch there would be huge issues with people not able to patch log in or they had been hacked ,or a complete rework of your classes talent tree. i know for a fact that hackers still run rampant thru WOW as well guilde of mine got hacked 2 weeks later got his acct back then got hacked again and he even had the sec key ,i feel lucky i never got hacked . You also have to remember BW has to code all this from scratch ,they can't just take the code from other games and use it i am no lawyer but I'm pretty sure Bliz would sue there pants off for copyright infringement.
Now I'm not saying there arn't bugs in SWTOR ,there and alot of them but i am still enjoying my play time ,yes i would love to have some of my addons from WOW here ,and i would love to see the way Bliz has done the phasing in area's here ,would be more immerseve to me to see the area that i was just told to help get control of looked like i did something .Now i know I'll get called a fanboi and well guess what i am i love star wars other wise i wouldn't be here .The best way to get the change you want is report the bugs you find with a detailed report time's places(map co-ords if it's a environmental thing) what you were doing either in game or in the CS forum ,or go make a suggestion in the suggestion box.
I am not going to tell someone there opinion is wrong if your saying the game sucks well for you the game sucks nuff said my cup of tea and yours are different. So guys when your trying to tell someone that's raging that there completely wrong remember from there stand point there right.Anyway i'm done with my wall of text. Have fun and see you in game

This is quite true, wow servers were not entirely stable for a while during vanilla. But you got to understand that this is irrelevant to the quality of the actual game. They just weren't prepared for the success it had, nobody could predict that. The game itself was heads and shoulders above anything that came before it.

I'm curious. Could any of you wowfanbois please explain this to me.

If WoW is so amazing, why is it you are all HERE?

Surely if Pandaland is that great, then you'd still be there playing, no?

Leaving a game to come play another, then complaining its not like the game you LEFT is kind of, well, illogical.

Why do you want a game to be a carbon copy of a game you left?

Well, gee whiz. Let's see now . . .

WoW came with 8 dungeons (Blackfathom, Gnomer, Scarlet, RFD, Uldaman, and ST - with Strat and BRS as late-release additions) and 2 late-release addition raids (Onyxia and MC). SWTOR came with 6 flashpoints (Esseles, BT, HS, T5 - plus 2 late-release additions Boarding Party & D7) and 1 operation (Eternity Vault.)

• Score: WoW 8 & 2 to SWTOR's 6 & 1 = WoW +1.5.

Both came with an AH/GTN. WoW's came with a bidding system which TOR's didn't. TOR's GTN is not linked, while WoW's AHs were not linked until 14 mos after release (patch 1.9 - the same patch that introduced AQ.)

• Score: WoW +1

SWTOR resolved much of its heavy lag issues associated with large populations in one place (i.e. Fleet stations) and speeder travel. Still a WIP but it's improved greatly and is not crashing. WoW required 3 months (patch 1.2.4) to fix their excess population crashes.

• Score: SWTOR +1

SWTOR has never had a UI crash problem, and disconnect issues were fixed within 5 weeks (patch 1.1). WoW required 4 months (patch 1.3.1) to fix their UI crashes and teleport crashes, and 6 months (patch 1.4.2) to fix their disconnect issues.

• Score: SWTOR +1

SWTOR doesn't have battlegrounds yet, while WoW didn't get theirs for 7 months after release (patch 1.5.0.)

• Score: TBD

SWTOR has high level modable items, while WoW players didn't get theirs until 10 months after release (patch 1.7.0.)

• Score: SWTOR +1

SWTOR is experiencing ability/combat issues. Patch 1.1 helped considerably but there's still a ways to go. WoW took 3 months to fix theirs with patch 1.2.2.

• Score: TBD

WoW had queue and login problems that lasted a year until their new launcher (patch 1.8.3) came out. SWTOR has pretty much fixed theirs already.

• Score SWTOR +1

SWTOR is doing feasibility research regarding addons, particularly the initial additon of a customizable UI. WoW added custom UI scripting after 11 months (patch 1.8.1) and didn't allow open 3rd party API access for 19 months (patch 1.11.)

• Score: TBD

WoW added weather effects in patch 1.10 - 16 months after release. SWTOR has weather effects already. It's not dynamic or pervasive, but it's there.

• Score: SWTOR +.5

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TOTAL SCORE = who cares!

Because there are a zillion other comparisons that can be made about the condition each game was in at launch. What can't really be compared are the games themselves, because their play styles and progression models are night and day.

You said that using much nicer words than i would have lol