Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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Let's compare early WoW with early TOR

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LogicalPremise

01.25.2012 , 07:15 PM \| #421	Quote
Why are we comparing two games again? Bottom line: Either you have money to play both games or you don't. If you do, you either like SWTOR or you don't. If you don't, you either have logical and concrete reasons to dislike it or you don't. If you don't, then you are asking for a reason to like a game that 1) you can't really afford to play 2) you don't like 3) you define solely through how it stacks up against another game Judge SWTOR on it's own merits or not at all. Granted, judging on it's own merits brings a lot of really good points and a lot of really bad points. But these endless "WOW had / EQ had / Meridan59 had / Yar's Revenge had" threads are rehashing garbage arguments that solve nothing, and tell us nothing.
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Cyclonit

01.27.2012 , 03:36 AM \| #422	Quote
I think comparing something new to something already existing is a very important step if you want to improve. How would you make something new better than its predecessors without comparing? Let me put it straight: WoW has some cool features SWTOR does not have. Aion has some cool features ... Rift ... ... The list goes on and Bioware, if they want to compete, will have to look for stuff they missed and add it. Period. However I don't judge BW for not adding all of that stuff to the game from the beginning. They focused on giving us awesome stories most of us enjoyed fully. I'll spend some time rolling other classes besides my sorc (plan roling a sith warrior next month and maybe a jedi at some point of time) waiting for improvements. Fact is: If Bioware does not improve the game SWTOR won't be a topic by next christmas.

Xerda

01.27.2012 , 03:39 AM \| #423	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Leohat Ok. I can't help it. I've got time to burn. I want to state for the record, I was not a WoW player during the times discussed below- Vanilla WoW. I starting playing WoW sometime after the release of tBC. I stopped shortly after Cataclysm. According to wikipedia, According to wikipedia, According to WoWwiki, the first patch AFTER the official release date was patch 1.1.2 release on December 6 2004. Which only removed time zone tabs. (Big fat hairy deal). I'm going to skip this one. The next one however was significant. 18 December 2004 http://www.wowwiki.com/Patch_1.2.0 According to my math that is 26 days between release and first major post release date patch. It looks to me like there were a bunch of patches before the official release date. I'm assuming that these were patches found between the time the release to manufacture RTM and the release date. Maybe someone that remembers could fill us in Look at the huge list of bug fixes. Now lets look at SWTOR According to http://www.wikiswtor.com/Patch_1.0.1 The first major patch was Patch 1.0.1 released on 27 December 2011 According to my math that is 15 days between release and first major post release patch. Admittedly that does not include some of the small post release patches. Lets not compare an ancient game release to a current release. There is no valid comparison between a game of then to now. It's like comparing an old car to a modern car.
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Safgril

01.27.2012 , 03:48 AM \| #424	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Cyclonit I think comparing something new to something already existing is a very important step if you want to improve. How would you make something new better than its predecessors without comparing? Let me put it straight: WoW has some cool features SWTOR does not have. Aion has some cool features ... Rift ... ... The list goes on and Bioware, if they want to compete, will have to look for stuff they missed and add it. Period. However I don't judge BW for not adding all of that stuff to the game from the beginning. They focused on giving us awesome stories most of us enjoyed fully. I'll spend some time rolling other classes besides my sorc (plan roling a sith warrior next month and maybe a jedi at some point of time) waiting for improvements. Fact is: If Bioware does not improve the game SWTOR won't be a topic by next christmas. and? your idea of games goes as far as only newer games. I have been playing since Asheron's call and EQ... SWG and shadowbane. What WOW has is not the "standard" We are talking about 12 to 13 years of gaming with tons of experience. Blizzard does not have all the answers because if it did.. it wouldnt be losing subs now would it? bottom line.. you are focusing only on WOW for all your comments. When some great OLDER games then WOW had brilliant ideas that could be implemented and compared much BETTER then WOW. I got an idea. Instead of trying to change this game into WOW.. why dont you actually use your noggin to come up with something different. I didnt like Dungeon finder in WOW... yet some love it. Most people in these forums do NOT constitute all of the playerbase. So because some of you cry and moan for things does not mean that "everybody" wants it. the people actually playign the game and not posting here are obviously content with the game the way it is. Which would be the most of the population of the game. YOU who post are the MINORITY. at least recognize that.

TonyACT

01.27.2012 , 03:55 AM \| #425	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by BeezyBates Let's not. /this Might as well compare ToR with EQ at launch - what would be the point? For me, key question is, what do I get for my money in any game - same amount of fun or not. Then I decide what to play. Some months nothing suits and it is LOTRO (FtP and I have a lifetime anyway). Next month will be ToR - still having fun. Month after - not sure yet. Why the bleep bleep would I waste time comparing?

Cyclonit

01.27.2012 , 03:57 AM \| #426	Quote
Did you read my post? I did not say I want to turn SWTOR into WoW. Hell I'd quit my sub a second after BW does that. My point is that we need to look at all of older games IN GENERAL not at a single one and use what was good to make something better. And I do know that I am part of a minority posting here which does not change anything. If the majority does want something different than I do I'm fine with it but there is a lot to be improved and without anyone talking about it improving anything is impossible.

Xugos

01.27.2012 , 03:58 AM \| #427	Quote
This game is much worse than WoW was when it was released. No dancing around the fact. Also, 2004 vs 2012 release (dec. 20 2011 is basically 2012.) Stop making up excuses for BW.
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Cyclonit

01.27.2012 , 04:01 AM \| #428	Quote
You cannot say this game is much worse than an other game in general. Its your own opinion and if you think like that fine. But SWTOR has some very nice features WoW did not have and even though comparing SWTOR to something 8 years old instead of comparing it to the current state of other MMOs I think SWTOR would have annihilated WoW if they would've been released in the same year.

Castiel

01.27.2012 , 04:03 AM \| #429	Quote
rofl "an mmo without a lfg tool is doomed to fail" *** ? Spoiled wowkids...

Stejo

01.27.2012 , 04:07 AM \| #430	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Cyclonit You cannot say this game is much worse than an other game in general. Its your own opinion and if you think like that fine. But SWTOR has some very nice features WoW did not have and even though comparing SWTOR to something 8 years old instead of comparing it to the current state of other MMOs I think SWTOR would have annihilated WoW if they would've been released in the same year. Judging by the state of it's engine today, if swtor was released in 2004 it would be a top down 2d game on floppies.

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