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Sorcerers are becoming the next Bright Wizards

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Sorcerers are becoming the next Bright Wizards

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Sathid
01.27.2012 , 01:11 AM | #121
Quote: Originally Posted by MSpectre View Post
Sometimes I feel paper-thin as a Sorc other times I'm a jugg.

If i'm not running/healing myself i'm healing/bubbling others and CCing.

The key to a Sorc is to always, ALWAYS be working on either A)Running/Healing or B) Shielding/healing others.

To kill a Sorc, well atleast my sorc, Stuns(alot of em) and 2 decent dps.
It doesnt take two classes to kill my main a scoundrel,why should it take two decent dps to take down a caster?
It just doesnt make sense or balance,and four of you to a zone? you guys havent run you walked through the tulip field to your BattleMaster gear,this is crazy,im shocked rationale adults are standing by that claim to enjoy this game and want it to do well and all the meanwhile be silent or defend this,its crazy,it makes no sense.

EDIT maybe if i went full sawbones i could take more,havent tried it in pvp yet,but then my damage would fall off a cliff.

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Dravinian
01.27.2012 , 01:14 AM | #122
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
It doesnt take two classes to kill my main a scoundrel,why should it take two decent dps to take down a caster?
It just doesnt make sense or balance,and four of you to a zone? you guys havent run you walked through the tulip field to your BattleMaster gear,this is crazy,im shocked rationale adults are standing by that claim to enjoy this game and want it to do well and all the meanwhile be silent or defend this,its crazy,it makes no sense.
Because your DPS is higher.

Oh noes, that ruined your argument.

Nerf your damage a further 40-60% and then you can have my survivability.

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Raijinvince
01.27.2012 , 01:15 AM | #123
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
It doesnt take two classes to kill my main a scoundrel,why should it take two decent dps to take down a caster?
It just doesnt make sense or balance,and four of you to a zone? you guys havent run you walked through the tulip field to your BattleMaster gear,this is crazy,im shocked rationale adults are standing by that claim to enjoy this game and want it to do well and all the meanwhile be silent or defend this,its crazy,it makes no sense.
Because he's clearly heal spec'd. If you were full heal spec it would take 2+ people to kill you, too. Promise. Notice how he said he's doing either running/healing or shielding/healing others. Nowhere does he say he's dpsing, so clearly he's a healer. Of course full heal spec sorc/sage's damage "drops off a cliff" too.

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Bastion-fox
01.27.2012 , 01:17 AM | #124
Quote: Originally Posted by Raijinvince View Post
Because he's clearly heal spec'd. If you were full heal spec it would take 2+ people to kill you, too. Promise.
Why should it take 2 or more people to kill a single healer yet it's against the law of SWTOR for the ops/scoundrel to almost be guaranteed a 1v1 kill.
Yeah balance.

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BlueRazor
01.27.2012 , 01:19 AM | #125
You die to 2-3 lighting strikes hitting at once? You're probably gettin hit by 3 sorcerers at the same time, plus probably some other dps who don't have flashy animations.. NO class can survive that, except maybe a tank with blown CDs.. And the shield adds 3k hp. 3khp is ONE crit. At full health, with shield on, an operative can take me down to around 25% before I get up from a knockdown, 50-60% if I can blow my cc trinket, shield, and sprint.

Shock (our instant cast) usually hits around 1.5k, force lightning hits for around 650+ a tick, chain lightning might crit for 2k if Im lucky. Deathfield is probably my hardest hitting, usually around 2k, maybe 3k with a crit. Our spells don't hit that hard, but add in dot damage, it can build up quick.

Of course if the sorcerer is geared, and you're rocking greens/blues, you will be owned, but you can say the same with any class.

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Raijinvince
01.27.2012 , 01:20 AM | #126
Quote: Originally Posted by Bastion-fox View Post
Why should it take 2 or more people to kill a single healer yet it's against the law of SWTOR for the ops/scoundrel to almost be guaranteed a 1v1 kill.
Yeah balance.
I happen to think it's fair. But that's just opinion vs opinion. Regardless of where you stand on that it's not exclusive to Sorcs/Sages. Any class spec'd full healer will be able to withstand a single dps on them unless they are significantly outgeared/outleveled/outskilled etc.

If you truly feel that 1 dps should be able to beat 1 healer, then that's a thought for a different thread. It is in no means exclusive to Sorcs/Sages. By the way, ops/scoundrel have a heal spec. They can easily survive 1 dps on them just like any other healer.

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Sathid
01.27.2012 , 01:21 AM | #127
Quote: Originally Posted by Raijinvince View Post
Because he's clearly heal spec'd. If you were full heal spec it would take 2+ people to kill you, too. Promise. Notice how he said he's doing either running/healing or shielding/healing others. Nowhere does he say he's dpsing, so clearly he's a healer. Of course full heal spec sorc/sage's damage "drops off a cliff" too.
I( dunno man,what im seeing and im sure honest people are seeing is something very different,plus like i said there is always atleast four of you guys to a WZ,always.

So what happens this class and 90% of the time that is on Imperial helped not only themselves but the Imperial side as a whole to get far and away better geared,then they make their alt and the cycle continues but atleast your main is geared to the hilt and be brought in at momenst notice if things go sour.
Meanwhile the republic players take more than twice the amount of time to get gear,some start quitting or reroll Imperial and then it further distorts the balance.

You guys are destroying this game for your own selfish interest is the conclusion.

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Raijinvince
01.27.2012 , 01:23 AM | #128
Quote: Originally Posted by Sathid View Post
I( dunno man,what im seeing and im sure honest people are seeing is something very different,plus like i said there is always atleast four of you guys to a WZ,always.

So what happens this class and 90% of the time that is on Imperial helped not only themselves but the Imperial side as a whole to get far and away better geared,then they make their alt and the cycle continues but atleast your main is geared to the hilt and be brought in at momenst notice if things go sour.
Meanwhile the republic players take more than twice the amount of time to get gear,some start quitting or reroll Imperial and then it further distorts the balance.

You guys are destroying this game for your own selfish interest is the conclusion.
Are we talking about Imp/Republic balance now? Because I'm a Sage, not a Sorc. I'm not sure how nerfing Sages is going to help balance, and they sure as hell won't only nerf Sorcs unless it's an incidental nerf due to some bug fix between the mirrors.

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ProfessorWalsh
01.27.2012 , 01:28 AM | #129
Quote: Originally Posted by Raideen View Post
Sorcs main attack does around 2800 damage in 3 seconds. AND is MITIGATED by armor. Everyone thinks sorcs damage is not, only the dots are not. And the dots them selves tick for around 300..less then any dot class in game.
As a Jedi Sentinel, Combat spec, at level 50, with +10% from expertise my highest damage rotation does as follows:

Strike
Zealous Strike
Precision Slash
Blade Rush
Blade Storm
Master Strike

This combo takes 9.5 seconds from the initial hit with Strike.

This combination does 7,750 damage, it is mitigated by armor. (Granted, Precision grants me 100% armor penetration)

It requires me to be in melee range.

Before someone says, "Well Watchman can do..." let me say this:

I don't care. I'm not Watchman specced. I am Combat specced.

You can do, in 9 seconds, 8,400 damage.

From range.

Yes, you are over powered.
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Sathid
01.27.2012 , 01:30 AM | #130
Well if anyone plays WZ's in the 50 bracket and reads the last four pages here it is very apparent which class needs to be looked into and it is not the smugglers.

I do not wish to but i will start either recording some Wz's and my own experience or i will find some that will prove without a shadow of doubt how this stands.

Math does not lie,and as sure as death and taxes the caster classes are too over the top.