Sorcerers are becoming the next Bright Wizards

Even though I think sorc needs to be nerfed your definitely off base sir. Sorc is not a high sustained damage and high burst damage class AT THE SAME TIME like bright wizards were. Instead they have mid to high sustained damge, shields, mobility, alot of CC, and a heals.

In essence a jack of all trades class that can still excel at damage, even though it's sustained damage instead burst damage. This breaks the intrinsic balance of jack of all trades classes: can do a little of everything but nothing really well. Sorc's can do a little of everything AND do either dps/CC or healing/cc well.

Rookie PVP players or those that do not understand pressure damage think not being burst makes it worthless or far far far less useful. They are dead wrong, it just takes more skill to use well and must be placed more selectively and efficiently to achieve it's potential.




Another mistake: Sorc's have been between 1/3 and 1/2 the Imperial population I've faced since day 1. Nothing has changed for me except the ops re-rolled sorc or bounty hunter. So WZ's are almost always sorcs/bounty hunters/token assassin and token random class.


Also as a side note on BW's themselves, they were more balanced when they literally destroyed themselves trying to DEE PEE SSS so to appease whiney babies the risk/reward was nerfed and it became an easily sustainable crit rate instead. Even with healing a chain casting bright wizard made it much easier to kill them pre-change, so you actually had to manage your DPS or you'd melt. Pun intended.

population is not concrete evidence of something between UP or OP, especially since you are talking about WZ in which people are plucked at random. population analysis can be used to support other evidence that is more concrete, but thats about it.

for example, lets take wow. rogues were one of the least played class, yet they were overpowered (or at least they were nerfed). rogues were consistently either overpowered ot good in pvp/pve, yet were still the least played class. why is that? i had a rogue alt at the time and i can give you my answer as to why i barely played him.

because he was boring as hell (class remained unchanged since wow first started)

on the other hand, hunters, one of the most populated classes, was consistently underpowered for very long stretches in both pve and pvp.

there are many factors as to why people roll a class, power and viability are merely two. as such, you can not balance pvp solely around something that is not solely affected by pvp.

for example, i will freely admit i just started a sorc. why? because my friend said it was the closest class to affliction warlock in this game (which was my second favorite pvp spec in wow). i will admit that i was actually reluctant to roll the class due to all of the attention it was getting.

sorc use lightening 90% of the time unlike balance sages who mix spells just press that little button called interrupt and bingo!
BW cannot patch auto interrupt you know.

Dunno why its so hard to understand.I did a WZ recently with 4 sorcs on their side i asked ppl to use interrupt but guess how many did yep me only.So ofc they keep pumping it out.

Bright Wizards were a problem because their mechanic of building up heat and exploding wasn't hurting them bad enough and their AoE was absolutely smashing the crap out of everyone it hit.

Sages/Sorcs have no such ability to become more powerful the more they cast and the AoE isn't a death dealer unless it's multiple AoE's or you're already being hit by other classes.

no sorc is the class that is popping bubbles every 20 seconds, spamming their slow every 4 seconds, pulling their teammates up onto ledges, and incombat speed bursting away from combat and through burners. name one class that can cc that much

btw, this "spamming 1 ability" ******** is getting old. go learn to read and then come back and make a valid argument against merc

I play a sorcerer and it is VERY easy to die as this class. I have noticed my survivability has gone up with the more Champion gear I am getting, but to be honest...There are a number of classes that need to be looked at first besides a sorcerer.

1) The Trooper and Grav round spam...2k 2k 2k...I mean ***? Why give heavy armor to a turret that cam pump out a ton of damage?

2) Bounty Hunters...both MERCS and Powertechs...***? Heavy DPS and survivability here.

3) Jedi Shadows...stealth, ranged attacks and heavy melee damage.

4) Smugglers...Gunslinger and Scoundrel. Stealth for scoundrel awith the scattergun blast to the back of the head and death soon afterwards in a few seconds (more like 6 or so)

5) Juggernaughts and Guardians. Who the hell thought about balance by letting them hit for upwards of 4600 points? unreal.

Sith Sorcerers are dangerous when left alone because they spam low damage force powers. I stress... LOW damage. I finally got a medal for 2.5k from a Crit death field. The average damage from force lightning is 300. If I buff up I may be able to get it to 900 per tick. Hell, I have even had my force lightning do less than 100 points to someone. I can't remember the class. One nice ability, but again it is low damage, is lightning storm. It is great when a ton of people are close together, but hitting for 200 a tick is not impressive. I have seen the odd 400 hit though, but still. 400 points of damage when you have between 16k to 20k health is not all that much.

Play a sorcerer and you will see what I mean. We wear light armor and die FAST! We are easily interupted. Most of the time my heal takes too long to cast and I never get it off before I die.

Simple rules to balance:

Light armor - most dps very little damage reduction
Medium armor - middle DPS and middle dmage reduction
Heavy armor - Light dps with higher damage reduction

A duel between a light armor and heavy armor toon should be close to a draw with all abilities being used by your average player with 50% of the duels being won by both sides. Damage and damage mitigation should be tweaked to make this happen. Failing to do this results in OP'd classes...like we have now

The only thing about Sorc/Sage that needs to be looked at is healing. To see it take 2 or 3 people to take one down because they heal for sooo much is a little crazy.. otherwise I think they are fine, but maybe that's just me.

False logic. Ops by far had the highest burst dmg and kill rate and they weren't overly numerous.

There's also far more DPS Sorcs on Imp side than there are DPS Sages on Repub side. But everyday there's more and more Sorcs and Sages.. not because they ARE OP.. but because they keep reading these threads that say they are, which are written by people who have absolutely no understanding of the class whatsoever.

The majority of the people who play this game are terrible at PvP. They don't use their own CC correctly, they BREAK the CC of others that IS used correctly, nobody interrupts anything, and you see someone try to break LoS on a Ranged Class once in a blue moon.

The only common skill I see is the ability to spot a low enemy health bar and dogpile on it to try to get the KB.

Getting hit by Lightning or Rocks? Interrupt the channel! Now they're locked out of it for a bit and can't Proc their highest dmg DoT instant cast!

Got CC'd? Wait it out! If you don't blow your escape immediately you won't get CC'd again!

Tried the above and still got "chain cc'd?" They're smarter than you and realize that Roots aren't on the Resolve List so they mixed it up and kept you from going immune. Don't like that? Me either. Whine to Bioware about THAT instead of claiming a class you know nothing about is OP.


And honestly a team of Sorcs/Sages can be countered by a team of JK's and SW's. Force Leaps 2 second root doesn't set off resolve so just have your team of Leapers chain leap and attack and the sorcs will drop FAST.

Good then you will see for your self that they are not in any way op. More of one class is not op , the talk about them being op is driving it but I will bet that 80% rolling sorcs thinking them to be op will stop playing them and roll a merc .

I die very very fast have to use a crit relic to stand a chance of doing good dps on most classes. I'm not a gimp in any way but op not even close.

Iv got a heal/dps build , I all most never use the aoe to pad dps.

I get.around 40ish kills in most bgs win or lose with 150-200k dps how is that in any way op.
Stop looking at the ships farming low kill aoe spamers that help out not at all. You see the dps but have no idea what your talking about .

I can brake the 300k dps Mark and 60ish kills on my L15gunslinger .

Healing takes 3s to case or 2.5 if you spec more into it. This is for the bigger heal mind you. The lesser heal just doesn't cut it because you take more damage than that heal can take.

Heal is easily interupted.

Static barrier pops easily enough and has a 20s cooldown. Again, sorcerers are light armor...so giving them a shield ability does make sense.

Force lightning and lightning storm requires us to stand still and get wiped.

We have a few abilities that work while moving...but they are minimal damage. <less than 1k> except for death field in which case that one does on average around 1.2k damage unless it crits (around 2.5k).

Sorcerers do sustained damage. Numerous times a class has healed to full while I was attacking them. We could not push out enough damage to kill them. This was a trooper/BH. They turn around and spam their rocket/grav round attack and we are dead.

Play a sorcerer and see how weak they really are..unless you are too busy playing troopers or BH's.