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Bioware - Implorment (?) from a genuine fan

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Bioware - Implorment (?) from a genuine fan

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Grandpappy
01.26.2012 , 05:45 PM | #41
Quote: Originally Posted by Dawginole View Post
All of you people that are like the OP are the same. You're living in a fast food world with fast food expectations. The game has been out a month. Get over it. It will be fixed in due time. If you can't wait for fixes due to your impatience, leave, we won't miss you.



OMG LOL. This is the same post on every message board within the first month of launch. They said this when I started FFXI, WoW, FFXIV, and this. Everything I have ever played, some kid is poo poo'ing within a month that all the problems that affect HIM are not being fixed and HIS "community" of players is going to leave. Not ever stopping to think that the Dev team also may have to address issues and bugs in other areas of the game where other groups are playing. But he doesn't ever consider this because his community is the "heart and core of the game".

Then he threatens that some other game is on the horizon and this game will lose all its players to this other new game. Then he goes to play the new game and after a month he starts posting that all the problems that he is concerned about aren't being fixed and his community is the core of the game keeping it alive and if they don't fix his concerns he will be moving on to this other new game.

Blah, blah, blah. It's all the same. ONE MONTH. SIX DAYS. MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER GAME.

These are not magicians. They don't go into work each day and wave a wand. They go into work like everyone else for an 8+ hour day and analyze the problem and try their best to fix it as fast as possible. Then they go home to see their families and their kids, and to eat dinner, and maybe have a time to enjoy their own night for 30 damn minutes to watch TV before they go to bed to have to get up at the crack of dawn again the next day to come back to work to fix some problem some pre-pubescent clown is screaming about on an Internet forum so that he doesn't leave the game. ::::::::::::::

SO SORRY FOR ALL OF YOU! AAAA++++++ POST!!!!! WILL READ AGAIN!!!!!
We are. I have - unsubbed. Have fun playing with yourself - I mean alone...without anyone around
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Mhak
01.26.2012 , 05:51 PM | #42
Quote: Originally Posted by LogicalPremise View Post
Bioware, do you like it when trolls tell your paying customers to leave? Just wondering.

Since some of you are clearly lost in your own little worlds, let's break it down a bit further. I won't be a nice as the OP.

The biggest problem with this community is no one cares. The people who are casuals and not at end game like the arrogant person above dismiss any and all issues and complaints about the game by telling people to unsub. The raiders are only focused on the end game and don't care about the story and so piss off the story people. The PvP people see PvP as the most important thing , and so on and so forth.

The usual , and completely worthless, answer to this is somebody screaming "THE GAME IS ABOUT STORY FIRST!" To which I reply "Kindly show me where Bioware says the story is the only reason to play the game and that PvP, raiding, crafting, and the like are completely secondary reasons to play."

Because that is not what is presented, no matter how much you casual story people wish it was. Do you know what happens when the PvP'ers leave, and the raiders leave, and the crafters leave?

The game becomes stale. In 3 more months you'll finally stumble your way to 50 and have nothing to do but roll up an alt, so you'll do that, giggling about how great the game is. But anyone interested in PvP or Raiding will avoid it. New games will start attracting attention.

Without the people who are OCD about stats and raiding and PvP to find all the bugs in this content, it won't get much attention. Bioware will work on things like chat bubbles and ship customization and making sure lekku fit into a hood .... and then when you try to raid, you'll run into these bugs.

You know what happens at that point? Fanboys aren't patient. People stampeded out of STO. They ragequit Tabula Rasa. They hurled APB to the ground. They abandoned WAR by literally the hundreds of thousands.

And EVERY SINGLE TIME the same arguments about "faith in the devs" and "give it time" and "it's a new MMO" were put forth without any support, without any evidence that the developers saw the problems.

I don't hate BW. They've made a good game, taken some big risks, spent some big money and it's certainly not horrible. People cry about certain features or troll about this issue is the end of the world -- fine. Trolls are self-evident.

But unless and until you have actually PLAYED some of these raids and had Gharj LITERALLY kill you INSIDE the fleet -- please, just don't comment on these threads. You don't understand what you are talking about, and the long term effects of driving off the raiding and PvP community is what has killed otherwise great MMO's again and again and again.

I know you won't listen to this. I know full well I'm literally wasting my time , waiting for traffic to go down before I leave for home, typing this when I'll be dismissed instead of my points addressed. That's okay. I'm doing it hoping SOMEONE will listen.

TO the OP: The problem is not simple to fix, I suspect the coding on most of the ops is horribly tangled and was done in layers, and then hurried. Some of the KP bugs are only hitting some groups, and some of the Soa bugs only seem to show up on NM, at least in my experience. (Then again, I've seen the turrets resurrect themselves MORE than once, so any bug is possible).

I think the conventional bug approach (report bug, try to reproduce bug, etc) is not really viable here. We need to tell Bioware "look, take these things offline and rebuild them from scratch. We WILL continue to subscribe to the game once we know it's being addressed even if that means KP is down and unavaible for 2 months". I know I'd rather have an instance I can finish and chests I can loot rather than get the boss down to 8% and suddenly he resets, or have half the team get stuck on the shuttle and unable to enter.
You sir have not been dismissed, and I wish I could somehow replace my main post with this one.

+1 Internet, and f*** Gharj.

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Tocaseven
01.26.2012 , 05:51 PM | #43
GW2 soon , keep the same crew together and live there instead.

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LizardSF
01.26.2012 , 05:52 PM | #44
Quote: Originally Posted by Dirtybomb View Post
It has become "normal" to release a game with less-than-100% functional encounters because of your attitude.
It's been "normal" since at least Ultima Online, and probably Meridian 57 and earlier, though I didn't play them at launch. The idea that, somehow, in Ye Olden Glorye Days, games were released bug free and its only now that the players are so beaten down and beholden to the corporate gods that we're willing to "let" them release games with bugs, balance issues, etc, is utter, complete, and total ********.

Thus it has always been. Thus it will always be. And if you're posting here, it means you paid for the game before waiting for "all" the bugs to be fixed, so you are, therefore, part of the problem.
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Selaik
01.26.2012 , 05:52 PM | #45
Quote: Originally Posted by Mhak View Post
In what way is that arrogant? Do you even know what that word means? At worst it means I'm misinformed and haven't seen the information which talks about the problems I've faced and how they'll be fixed soon. Which I haven't. This is in no way shape or form arrogance.


If I didn't, I wouldn't still be subbed, would I?

Honestly you're apathy is astounding. I experienced game-breaking difficulties and want them to be fixed for the better, and you call me arrogant and tell me to leave and come back in a year?

What is wrong with you?
Listen , it sux they you have issues and I do feel for you , but the fact is its going to take time to fix them , we can all scream and holler and say" they should have never been there" or "the game needed to be delayed" that wont change today , so , like some have said (maybe not in the most tactful way) you can always freeze your sub and come back when your particular issues is solved if not you move on.

Not saying it to be mean but its the cold , blunt , truth , why pay for something you cant enjoy? thats how you voice your displeasure with your wallet , this post do nothing , i am sorry , Devs do not read them , if it makes you feel better to vent thats fine .

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SsjChrisKo
01.26.2012 , 05:53 PM | #46
Nice post op. Well laid out and thought through. As is always the case the people behind you in both progress and likely mental advancement will tell you to leave.

This is only their way of trying to make themselves feel better as you are complaining about aspects that they have not even yet experienced.

Ignore the childish fodder and GL. I have already deactivated my subscription and will likely check the forums daily for a while then fall to weekly and eventually stop playing all together unless major changes come about soon.

Peace.

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Mhak
01.26.2012 , 05:55 PM | #47
Quote: Originally Posted by Selaik View Post
Not saying it to be mean but its the cold , blunt , truth , why pay for something you cant enjoy? thats how you voice your displeasure with your wallet , this post do nothing , i am sorry , Devs do not read them , if it makes you feel better to vent thats fine .
I respectfully disagree. I agree that my wallet is one way to voice my displeasure, but I do not think it is the only way.

I am hoping, and many people are hoping, that simply making Bioware know damn well how displeased a great many of us are, that we will get some info on how they know what the problems are, and that fixes are incoming.

If that is indeed not happening, than you are right, and I should leave. But I am hoping that is not the case.

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Rahl_Windsong
01.26.2012 , 05:56 PM | #48
I have been saying this even at the end of beta.

SWTOR is not up to the standards that I am used to seeing in a Bioware game. Not only that but they are not talking about it except on places like twitter, etc. Forums? I guess they don't have the time or the cash to do anything but delete stuff they don't like and ban those who post it, let alone have anyone make any comments about the game on it.

I own just about every single game Bioware has ever made, starting with Bladur's Gate and I bought them all when they were brand new games.

SWTOR is the worst example of a Bioware game, in terms of inovative game play, that I have ever seen from them and they should be ashamed of it.

The story aspect they got right, the rest...needs a lot of work.
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Mhak
01.26.2012 , 05:59 PM | #49
Quote: Originally Posted by LizardSF View Post
Thus it has always been. Thus it will always be. And if you're posting here, it means you paid for the game before waiting for "all" the bugs to be fixed, so you are, therefore, part of the problem.
He would only be part of the problem if he were aware of the problems before subbing. As it is, all of us are finding these glaringly painful bugs out after subbing, after we've already sunk money and time into the game.

It is logical then to request fixes and improvements.

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Andryah
01.26.2012 , 06:03 PM | #50
Quote: Originally Posted by LizardSF View Post
It's been "normal" since at least Ultima Online, and probably Meridian 57 and earlier, though I didn't play them at launch. The idea that, somehow, in Ye Olden Glorye Days, games were released bug free and its only now that the players are so beaten down and beholden to the corporate gods that we're willing to "let" them release games with bugs, balance issues, etc, is utter, complete, and total ********.

Thus it has always been. Thus it will always be. And if you're posting here, it means you paid for the game before waiting for "all" the bugs to be fixed, so you are, therefore, part of the problem.
Yep.

The real problem is we have a segement of the MMO player base that jump into a brand new game and then get all offended that it's not perfect, and that end game content in particular is bugged. Welcome to new MMOs folks. End game content is always the buggiest, least complete and overall least fulfilling for a newly launched game. Get over it, be patient, or move on to something else. Crying about it in the forum and attacking anyone who disagrees with you is a waste of everyones time.

In reality this same segment of the player base really as little valid reason playing a newly launched MMO IMO. But they feel entitled to do so, then complain and rant about it's imperfections and make threats to leave or carry on about how worried they are or disappointed, or any number of other emotions. Hey, if you don't like the game, come back later when it is better for you. It will be here for you.
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