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Powertech DPS in tank spec is too high compared to other tank specs in pvp

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Powertech DPS in tank spec is too high compared to other tank specs in pvp

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Kryptorchid
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #71
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari View Post
stopped right here... reading comprehension. Everyone is discussing the DPS of TANK specced PTs.
And I have to bring up "what you see as a 'tank spec' PT is really either a 21/x/x hybrid or straight-up DPS build just using Ion Gas Cylinder."

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lJustAlexl
01.26.2012 , 04:09 PM | #72
Why are we even calling them tank specced? They're going for mostly offensive abilities in the tanking tree...that's not tank specced. They might be using the tree but they avoid all shield and defense based points.

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yukirshiro
01.26.2012 , 04:11 PM | #73
Quote: Originally Posted by Halstadt View Post
Which means that you're facing someone who's putting a lot of points into skills they can't use because they involve going into a non-TANK stance.
Uh...I guess all I can do is repeat "wut?" here?

Because the best thing about PT is you never have to leave defensive stance to be effective with a 2X/x/x build.

Do you even play a PT or have any idea how the work? Defensive stance on PT/vang is absolutely incredible compared to the awfulness of defensive stance as a jugg.

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Halstadt
01.26.2012 , 04:11 PM | #74
Quote: Originally Posted by Kryptorchid View Post
And I have to bring up "what you see as a 'tank spec' PT is really either a 21/x/x hybrid or straight-up DPS build just using Ion Gas Cylinder."
Or more likely, a DPS spec and stance that they think is really hard to kill.

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Sutr
01.26.2012 , 04:12 PM | #75
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro View Post
This is part of the crux of it. PT are not only more flexible and have better sustained dps in tank spec but also have better burst in defensive stance too. Nothing tank specced juggs have really comes close to a good sticky+shock/punch+rail combo for burst.
thats because shields are worthless in pvp. So they grab things that increase their burst. Really none of its sustained its a quick combo that you can only do every 15 seconds sustained dps only comes from a heavy pyro spec and thats not a tank spec not even close.

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yukirshiro
01.26.2012 , 04:13 PM | #76
Quote: Originally Posted by lJustAlexl View Post
Why are we even calling them tank specced? They're going for mostly offensive abilities in the tanking tree...that's not tank specced. They might be using the tree but they avoid all shield and defense based points.
Because they're in the tank tree, use tank spec and can guard and taunt, which are the only important PVP tanking tools?

You seem upset because PVP tanking builds arn't the same as PVE tanking builds. 21/x/x is a pvp tank build.

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Kuari
01.26.2012 , 04:14 PM | #77
Quote: Originally Posted by Kryptorchid View Post
And I have to bring up "what you see as a 'tank spec' PT is really either a 21/x/x hybrid or straight-up DPS build just using Ion Gas Cylinder."
In that situation, yeah, they do more DPS for sure, but Juggs can get a good setup like that too. Heck, grab immortal from the tank tree then the rest goes into an obliterate/smash spec *shrugs* as long as they time their cooldowns to proper moments and not always when they're near dead and it won't have their full effect, they can pretty much have great damage and insane survivability.

To be honest... Assassin is the only one I'd go full tank spec for PvP with, just for debuffs and making people's life miserable (not to mention, looks like they can build some insane burst with the right spec)
Standards are made to be broken.
- Crie - 50 Sniper - Engineer spec -
- Kuari - 35 Assassin - Tank spec -

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Halstadt
01.26.2012 , 04:15 PM | #78
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro View Post
Uh...I guess all I can do is repeat "wut?" here?

Because the best thing about PT is you never have to leave defensive stance to be effective with a 2X/x/x build.

Do you even play a PT or have any idea how the work? Defensive stance on PT/vang is absolutely incredible compared to the awfulness of defensive stance as a jugg.
I think the real question here is, do you? You've given anecdotal evidence of 5k crits from supposedly tank spec powertech, then claimed that they're putting most of their points into non-tank trees and have dps-gear.

Or maybe the issue is that you don't understand the definition of a tank.

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Xsorus
01.26.2012 , 04:15 PM | #79
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro View Post
Because they're in the tank tree, use tank spec and can guard and taunt, which are the only important PVP tanking tools?

You seem upset because PVP tanking builds arn't the same as PVE tanking builds. 21/x/x is a pvp tank build.
That does less damage then the 31/8/2 builds

This has been discussed on the forums.

Parakeet build does less damage, and takes 6.5% more damage then the standard 31/8/2 build.

Furthermore, If you actually want a Tanky DPS build, simply equip Tank armor, and spec 31 AP and rest in shield tech, You'll be more tanky cause of Stabilized armor.

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Kryptorchid
01.26.2012 , 04:15 PM | #80
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro View Post
Because they're in the tank tree, use tank spec and can guard and taunt, which are the only important PVP tanking tools?

You seem upset because PVP tanking builds arn't the same as PVE tanking builds. 21/x/x is a pvp tank build.
So now you admit that people are bypassing defensive talents, getting the offensive ones in whatever tree it is, but their damage needs to be nerfed because those damage talents exist in the "tank" tree? lol wut