Why I'm not playing.

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To OP you sir are exactly right on every point, but I'm sure your thread will be destroyed soon like every other person who has tried to post their issues with this game. I made a post saying what my problems were with the game and it was completely destroyed and never seen agian in less then one minute. I pointed out in another thread that this game is not worth 15 dollars a month to play since its more of a single player game compared to the other eight MMORPG's Ive played, but of course some fan boy told me to learn how to play a MMORPG lol. If you have no problem with this game then you either have never played other MMORPGs, or mommy is paying your monthly bill and you are obsessed with Star Wars lore (which this game dosent even follow hence class lightsaber restrictions) so you don't care that you are being ripped off, or you work for PR. I love Bioware games until this POS came out.

So, first let me say that I appreciate that you wrote a well thought out and written post to address your issues with the game. Many of them I disagree with, some of them I find accurate, and some I really cannot say anything about, cause I don't have the experience.

Now, let me address the things that stuck out for me, cause at some point I think my eyes glazed over:

First: you say you played and liked KOTOR. How the is the questing any different? In both games, you kill a bunch of bad guys and take stuff/reach the destination. You may suggest that questing should have moved forward, but that was the nature of the games before that you loved, why is it a problem now? Perhaps there is are different options, but I'm trying real hard to think of any game where the main goal isn't to kill guys, take stuff, reach end, or race to end first, and I can't think of many, certainly not in MMOs.

2) you may not be impressed or like the light/dark side options or the fact that the game has fully voiced questing, but at least credit them for what they did. As far that goes, all reports put it far ahead of any other MMO. Yea, there are game issues, but at least give them credit for what they actually did, which was create a far more engaging story and quest interaction setup.

3) The issues with companions. You complain they are useless, then complain that you don't have to group because all you have to do is pull out a companion and you can beat anything. sounds contradictory. Either they are useless or they are not. And my tank companion (as a Sage) is quite useful imo. yea, they are pretty much pets, but I think it is pretty cool that they are also fully developed characters (minus the ship droid, he's just annoying).

4) You complain about the story, but you also say that the class quests, the focus of the story was engaging and interesting. Trite story, but you liked it, more contradiction. I personally think the story telling is fine, and I like how each planet has at least one arc in addition to the main class quest. But, you hated DA2, and I liked it. Yea, the combat was washed down, but it was so interesting to see a story about something other than saving the world. Further, to see a character piece in video games rather than a simple slash and dash. You say the writing was horrible, shallow, and stereotypical, I say it was interesting, original, and dealt with more complex ideas.

5) Yes, it would be really cool if the world phased to show your actions in it. I do kinda regret this. That being said, I have seen things show up related to quests I completed such as the rakgoul serum for sale. I thought that was nifty.

6) The complaints about Revan confuse me. In the original game, we got to make our character, so I see the difficulty with portraying him. They clearly gave him a new face, and justified it by showing the scars from the facial replacement surgery. But you have to pick a face dangit. Further, how do you know that story arc was shallow and trite if you stopped playing after he showed up? Unless you mean the whole story is old and boring.

7) Yes, you are the hero of the game. Just like everyone else. I don't know about WOW, but it certainly was that way in LOTRO, and I imagine something similar happens in WOW. Either way, it is the nature of having a heroic figure as the player character in an MMO. Sorry, next time you can play the MMO where you are just an average dude that runs a bakery or something.

8) Yes, space battles could use more work. It would have been great if they did something like with Star Trek (space wise) for the space missions, but I enjoy them as a distraction.

9)Maybe planets are empty, but I haven't noticed. Grouping rarely takes me longer than 20 mins and unless I'm playing at 1 or 8 am, worlds are decently populated. Heck, this morning at 7:30 there were plenty of folks on my "never above standard population" server. I will remind you, this isn't WOW, there are not 10 million other people playing it.

10) You don't like the character models, but I have seen the **** that make up WOW character designs you think are so great, and they are one of the single biggest reasons I have never tried the game.

11) There have been many complaints, and you add to them, about BW customer support. None of my report requests have taken longer than a day to go through. Yes, numerous bugs have been fixed, and there are numerous reports of this happening, and yes BW are trying to fix problems. I don't know why people insist that BW is lying in their patch notes. I haven't ever caught them, and just because every single issue isn't fixed doesn't make them liars. My suggesting is to contact customer support (on the forums or through email) rather than QQing on the general discussion forum.

Which leads me to 12) You complain about BW closing all negative threads (not true I read a nasty review from 12/21 that someone posted on yesterday) but then complain that the forums are a Cess pool. Yea, I agree they are depressing, so why shouldn't BW try to curb some of the negativity. Especially the "BW YU SUKS" threads? Perhaps this thread will be closed, but it doesn't look like that will happen at this point.

So to close, I appreciate the thought you put into your criticisms, but some of them seem to contradict one another. There is also an issue with numerous criticisms being from second hand reports that you have no actual experience with. That would be fine with links, but there are none, so I have to wonder if your sources aren't these forums which you criticize. Lastly, I will point out the fact that this BRAND NEW game was indeed called the best thing ever, cause it was BRAND NEW. This is called marketing, and marketers tend to stretch the truth. I am surprised you bought into the hype.

I play the game because I enjoy it, not for magic world changing "anything" it was reported to have. That should be everyone's standard. If you don't have fun, move on, if you do, keep playing. So that is my WoT in response to yours. Good luck with whatever game you end up on later down the line.

So, first let me say that I appreciate that you wrote a well thought out and written post to address your issues with the game. Many of them I disagree with, some of them I find accurate, and some I really cannot say anything about, cause I don't have the experience.

Now, let me address the things that stuck out for me, cause at some point I think my eyes glazed over:

First: you say you played and liked KOTOR. How the is the questing any different? In both games, you kill a bunch of bad guys and take stuff/reach the destination. You may suggest that questing should have moved forward, but that was the nature of the games before that you loved, why is it a problem now? Perhaps there is are different options, but I'm trying real hard to think of any game where the main goal isn't to kill guys, take stuff, reach end, or race to end first, and I can't think of many, certainly not in MMOs.

2) you may not be impressed or like the light/dark side options or the fact that the game has fully voiced questing, but at least credit them for what they did. As far that goes, all reports put it far ahead of any other MMO. Yea, there are game issues, but at least give them credit for what they actually did, which was create a far more engaging story and quest interaction setup.

3) The issues with companions. You complain they are useless, then complain that you don't have to group because all you have to do is pull out a companion and you can beat anything. sounds contradictory. Either they are useless or they are not. And my tank companion (as a Sage) is quite useful imo. yea, they are pretty much pets, but I think it is pretty cool that they are also fully developed characters (minus the ship droid, he's just annoying).

4) You complain about the story, but you also say that the class quests, the focus of the story was engaging and interesting. Trite story, but you liked it, more contradiction. I personally think the story telling is fine, and I like how each planet has at least one arc in addition to the main class quest. But, you hated DA2, and I liked it. Yea, the combat was washed down, but it was so interesting to see a story about something other than saving the world. Further, to see a character piece in video games rather than a simple slash and dash. You say the writing was horrible, shallow, and stereotypical, I say it was interesting, original, and dealt with more complex ideas.

5) Yes, it would be really cool if the world phased to show your actions in it. I do kinda regret this. That being said, I have seen things show up related to quests I completed such as the rakgoul serum for sale. I thought that was nifty.

6) The complaints about Revan confuse me. In the original game, we got to make our character, so I see the difficulty with portraying him. They clearly gave him a new face, and justified it by showing the scars from the facial replacement surgery. But you have to pick a face dangit. Further, how do you know that story arc was shallow and trite if you stopped playing after he showed up? Unless you mean the whole story is old and boring.

7) Yes, you are the hero of the game. Just like everyone else. I don't know about WOW, but it certainly was that way in LOTRO, and I imagine something similar happens in WOW. Either way, it is the nature of having a heroic figure as the player character in an MMO. Sorry, next time you can play the MMO where you are just an average dude that runs a bakery or something.

8) Yes, space battles could use more work. It would have been great if they did something like with Star Trek (space wise) for the space missions, but I enjoy them as a distraction.

9)Maybe planets are empty, but I haven't noticed. Grouping rarely takes me longer than 20 mins and unless I'm playing at 1 or 8 am, worlds are decently populated. Heck, this morning at 7:30 there were plenty of folks on my "never above standard population" server. I will remind you, this isn't WOW, there are not 10 million other people playing it.

10) You don't like the character models, but I have seen the **** that make up WOW character designs you think are so great, and they are one of the single biggest reasons I have never tried the game.

11) There have been many complaints, and you add to them, about BW customer support. None of my report requests have taken longer than a day to go through. Yes, numerous bugs have been fixed, and there are numerous reports of this happening, and yes BW are trying to fix problems. I don't know why people insist that BW is lying in their patch notes. I haven't ever caught them, and just because every single issue isn't fixed doesn't make them liars. My suggesting is to contact customer support (on the forums or through email) rather than QQing on the general discussion forum.

Which leads me to 12) You complain about BW closing all negative threads (not true I read a nasty review from 12/21 that someone posted on yesterday) but then complain that the forums are a Cess pool. Yea, I agree they are depressing, so why shouldn't BW try to curb some of the negativity. Especially the "BW YU SUKS" threads? Perhaps this thread will be closed, but it doesn't look like that will happen at this point.

So to close, I appreciate the thought you put into your criticisms, but some of them seem to contradict one another. There is also an issue with numerous criticisms being from second hand reports that you have no actual experience with. That would be fine with links, but there are none, so I have to wonder if your sources aren't these forums which you criticize. Lastly, I will point out the fact that this BRAND NEW game was indeed called the best thing ever, cause it was BRAND NEW. This is called marketing, and marketers tend to stretch the truth. I am surprised you bought into the hype.

I play the game because I enjoy it, not for magic world changing "anything" it was reported to have. That should be everyone's standard. If you don't have fun, move on, if you do, keep playing. So that is my WoT in response to yours. Good luck with whatever game you end up on later down the line.

To OP you sir are exactly right on every point, but I'm sure your thread will be destroyed soon like every other person who has tried to post their issues with this game. I made a post saying what my problems were with the game and it was completely destroyed and never seen agian in less then one minute. I pointed out in another thread that this game is not worth 15 dollars a month to play since its more of a single player game compared to the other eight MMORPG's Ive played, but of course some fan boy told me to learn how to play a MMORPG lol. If you have no problem with this game then you either have never played other MMORPGs, or mommy is paying your monthly bill and you are obsessed with Star Wars lore (which this game dosent even follow hence class lightsaber restrictions) so you don't care that you are being ripped off, or you work for PR. I love Bioware games until this POS came out.