Powertech DPS in tank spec is too high compared to other tank specs in pvp

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Powertech DPS in tank spec is too high compared to other tank specs in pvp

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Halstadt

01.26.2012 , 04:02 PM \| #61	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro I'm not talking about dps. You seem bad at reading. Most PT utility is baseline. Stun, aoe stun, grapple, stealth detect is all baseline. Overall, PTs are missing friendly charge + knockback compared to juggs, and they gain grapple + stealth detect. That's hardly a clear advantage one way or the other, except maybe on huttball, where juggs can bounce all the way to the finish line if the enemy lines up right. Although grapple is pretty wicked in huttball too. Thread title is quite misleading. Then again, if you want to trade stealth detection for being able to jump to a friendly target, I'd be glad to.

Vlaid

01.26.2012 , 04:03 PM \| #62	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Moddim Dunno why they gave jugs/guards a huge negative while in defensive stance while PT/Vans get only positives :/, I dont want PT/Van nerfed though but rather jug/guard buffed. This is really the crux of it. Everything in Jugg/Guardians is designed to throttle them when tank specced. PT/Vanguards get a lot more freedom. I mean, just the fact that Soresu form makes all your focus/rage builders build less sucks for PVP. You have less access to your resource because you're more likely to get ignores in PVP due to lower damage output+defensively oriented.
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yukirshiro

01.26.2012 , 04:04 PM \| #63	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by lJustAlexl OP, no pure tank spec will ever hit for 3k with any ability, let alone 5k. Try to learn to read before responding. Sticky + rail is 3k burst when you time the rail to hit when the sticky explodes. 5k if you crit on both. And PVP PT spec doesn't use 31 points. That would be stupid beyond belief. PT tank spec is typically 21-25/x/x.

Lazorous

01.26.2012 , 04:04 PM \| #64	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by beliglath tbh i tought that the knockback was part of their core class just like the inquisitors Force choke its only 3 secs wich gives you only 1 gcd to attack your target. Force scream its just an attack that provides a 1k shield once every 12 secs, and as a tank some powertechs (dps) have killed me in less than that with elemental damage :P Force Push is REALLY REALLY unreliable, it used to be an area attack ( wich was awesome ) and now its only single target on a min CD ( 45 talented ) but again you have to admit that as a tank it really sux to be the only ones that are unable to pull stuff to them beeing MELEE. Trooper knockback is only for Commando(dps/heal) class, not Vanguard (dps/tank).

bakedpotter

01.26.2012 , 04:05 PM \| #65	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Kuari Actually, Powertechs don't have higher DPS, they just have more armor penetrating DPS in tank spec then other tanks. Against squishies? I'd actually say that the assassin is superior in DPS in tank spec. Notice tank spec (as in talents, NOT AC) is what's being discussed.. don't change the subject. Then why is everyone discussing dps spec PTs? you know that PTs can spec dps and still use guard and look like they are tanking right? Tank specs with Tank gear are quite similar but a little different to the other classes tank dps as each one have their own special abilities that determine whether they do more or less dps. Assassins get to stealth out of combat. Jugs get way better CC utility and baseline force jump with much faster CD. Therefore not all tanks should have the same dps capabilities, thats how balance works.

Halstadt

01.26.2012 , 04:05 PM \| #66	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by beliglath tbh i tought that the knockback was part of their core class just like the inquisitors Force choke its only 3 secs wich gives you only 1 gcd to attack your target. Force scream its just an attack that provides a 1k shield once every 12 secs, and as a tank some powertechs (dps) have killed me in less than that with elemental damage :P Force Push is REALLY REALLY unreliable, it used to be an area attack ( wich was awesome ) and now its only single target on a min CD ( 45 talented ) but again you have to admit that as a tank it really sux to be the only ones that are unable to pull stuff to them beeing MELEE. Sure, Bioware decided to go with lore rather than common sense, and trust me, I know how painful melee can be, especially if you get lag (like me).

yukirshiro

01.26.2012 , 04:06 PM \| #67	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Halstadt Thread title is quite misleading. No it isn't. We got sidetracked onto a discussion of utility because someone said "yes powertech dps is better but utility is much worse." Which isn't really true. It's only possibly true on huttball and even there it depends how you play. Jugg is a better carrier, I'll give you that. But PT is excellent at killing their carrier because grapple is practically an i-win button if you use it effectively.

Kuari

01.26.2012 , 04:06 PM \| #68	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by bakedpotter Then why is everyone discussing dps spec PTs? stopped right here... reading comprehension. Everyone is discussing the DPS of TANK specced PTs.
Standards are made to be broken. - Crie - 50 Sniper - Engineer spec - - Kuari - 35 Assassin - Tank spec -

Halstadt

01.26.2012 , 04:08 PM \| #69	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by yukirshiro Try to learn to read before responding. Sticky + rail is 3k burst when you time the rail to hit when the sticky explodes. 5k if you crit on both. And PVP PT spec doesn't use 31 points. That would be stupid beyond belief. PT tank spec is typically 21-25/x/x. Which means that you're facing someone who's putting a lot of points into skills they can't use because they involve going into a non-TANK stance. EDIT: also, I have no idea where you are getting 5k from.

yukirshiro

01.26.2012 , 04:08 PM \| #70	Quote
Quote: Originally Posted by Vlaid This is really the crux of it. Everything in Jugg/Guardians is designed to throttle them when tank specced. PT/Vanguards get a lot more freedom. This is part of the crux of it. PT are not only more flexible and have better sustained dps in tank spec but also have better burst in defensive stance too. Nothing tank specced juggs have really comes close to a good sticky+shock/punch+rail combo for burst.

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