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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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No, You May Not Roll on Items for Another Class and Strip Out the Mods

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SithZigg
01.26.2012 , 01:56 PM | #511
Quote: Originally Posted by raidyr View Post
Had this exact same thing happen to me the very first (retail) Flashpoint I did. Juggernaut took Agent chest in Black Talon. Told him it had cunning and he got no use out of it whatsoever, he said he could wear it, I didn't press the point further after that to keep the group together.

I don't understand, with such a mindblowingly simple itemization design, why we can even roll on gear we can't use anyway.
My guess is that in situations like that, the player in question just goes "Oh look, bigger numbers!", without actually taking the time to stop and think what kind of impact it will have on his/her toon.
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ThiborF
01.26.2012 , 01:59 PM | #512
Quote: Originally Posted by Zhothon View Post
Its not because I think it should be a certain way. Its that the majority of players think it should be a certain way. I understand the norm and think that anyone who has grouped more than once in a FP knows it too.

My point is simple. Anyone that PUGs (unless its their first time) knows that the general accepted norm is to only need for your character. That does not include needing on items to pull out mods or needing for your companions.

If you are not a noob and you have different ideas about needing than what is generally accepted as proper etiquette, then you should discuss it with the group ahead of time. Its common sense that nothing said = standard etiquette and loot rules apply.
"Generally accepted" ?? Ummm, go read every other thread on companion loot and you'll find plenty of people posting how they view their companion as an extension of their character and not a separate entity.

People like you want to simply label those people as wrong because they don't agree with your views. And then come here and complain about them because you lack the ability to communicate with them prior to the looting.

People like me understand my point of view isn't necessarily everybody else's and would rather ask a simple question at the beginning of a run rather than risk the potential stress and hurt feelings that can come about when you discover not everyone thought the way you do.

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MRSA
01.26.2012 , 02:06 PM | #513
This is why I don't do pug's. people rolling on stuff they don't need is just socially wrong. People have changed the past 5 years or so in MMO's.

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racsofp
01.26.2012 , 02:09 PM | #514
I've heard that rather than discuss loot rules with the people you are actually grouped with and about to embark on a quest with, the best thing to do is head to the forums and find likeminded people on other servers who completely agree with you about loot rolls, but who you will never group with.
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Galbatorrix
01.26.2012 , 02:24 PM | #515
Quote: Originally Posted by ThiborF View Post
"Generally accepted" ?? Ummm, go read every other thread on companion loot and you'll find plenty of people posting how they view their companion as an extension of their character and not a separate entity.

People like you want to simply label those people as wrong because they don't agree with your views. And then come here and complain about them because you lack the ability to communicate with them prior to the looting.

People like me understand my point of view isn't necessarily everybody else's and would rather ask a simple question at the beginning of a run rather than risk the potential stress and hurt feelings that can come about when you discover not everyone thought the way you do.

If people roll on companion gear over people who need it for their PC then they might as well take away everything but the need button because every class in the game will end up needing every piece of armor that drops. We get 6 companions.. everything that drops will work for at least one of them. So, good luck ever winning anything with that mind set.

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Zhothon
01.26.2012 , 02:34 PM | #516
Quote: Originally Posted by ThiborF View Post
"Generally accepted" ?? Ummm, go read every other thread on companion loot and you'll find plenty of people posting how they view their companion as an extension of their character and not a separate entity.

People like you want to simply label those people as wrong because they don't agree with your views. And then come here and complain about them because you lack the ability to communicate with them prior to the looting.

People like me understand my point of view isn't necessarily everybody else's and would rather ask a simple question at the beginning of a run rather than risk the potential stress and hurt feelings that can come about when you discover not everyone thought the way you do.
First you need to understand that these forums are really skewed from reality. My observations are based off of actual playing experience.

I am not arguing that my views on loot are right or wrong. But I can tell you with near certainty that most players believe in the NEED for SELF ONLY loot rule. If you feel otherwise, you are in a minority.

If you loot against the norm in a group without discussing, you run the risk of angering people. Simply, discuss it before you group. Nothing said = standard loot rules.

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justahdude
01.26.2012 , 02:36 PM | #517
I whole heartily agree.

The mods become bound as soon as you remove them. and cannot be traded even to alts. lastly if you would need it (agent / operative) surely does he should roll greed.

period

Need ONLY if it is of immediate benefit to your class NOW.

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Jedi_Wannabe
01.26.2012 , 02:41 PM | #518
Quote: Originally Posted by SithZigg View Post
My guess is that in situations like that, the player in question just goes "Oh look, bigger numbers!", without actually taking the time to stop and think what kind of impact it will have on his/her toon.
It's also possible that the Juggernaut said "Oh look, Cunning. My companion can use that. Oh look, someone complained. I will feign ignorance by saying "I can wear it."

Ignorance may be an excuse, but it is still ignorance, and it is still just an excuse. I wouldn't black list someone for ignorance, but I might make a Newb List for them. If I see them do it again, they were just being a ****.
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Eldren
01.26.2012 , 02:43 PM | #519
Quote: Originally Posted by Galbatorrix View Post
If people roll on companion gear over people who need it for their PC then they might as well take away everything but the need button because every class in the game will end up needing every piece of armor that drops. We get 6 companions.. everything that drops will work for at least one of them. So, good luck ever winning anything with that mind set.
This is the dire prediction that everyone who opposes people rolling on a piece for uncommon reasons makes. The thing to think about is this: is that such a bad idea? If you have everyone rolling "need" on something, the end result is that everyone has a flat equal chance to acquire something, which goes in perfect keeping with the fact that everyone contributed in downing a given boss to begin with.

The loot drama arises because of disparities in loot priorities facilitated by the current NBG system. You have some people who choose Greed for a particular reason, who then get upset when someone else chooses Need for a reason they don't agree with. In short, they're upset because they had expectations of behavior that someone else didn't meet.

You have people rolling Need on things that upsets others rolling Need for a different reason, or just for a reason they didn't approve of. Upset that the chance of their getting a desired item has decreased when they favored behavior that would have given them a better chance of acquisition, they petition BioWare via these forums to make it so it can't happen.

If you simply move to either an actual Roll/Pass system, or one that's approximated via everyone choosing the same priority level on their loot roll, no one has room to complain. Everyone has a flat equal chance of getting any given piece.

Nothing could be more fair or impartial.
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01.26.2012 , 02:45 PM | #520
Quote: Originally Posted by ThiborF View Post
"Generally accepted" ?? Ummm, go read every other thread on companion loot and you'll find plenty of people posting how they view their companion as an extension of their character and not a separate entity.

People like you want to simply label those people as wrong because they don't agree with your views. And then come here and complain about them because you lack the ability to communicate with them prior to the looting.

People like me understand my point of view isn't necessarily everybody else's and would rather ask a simple question at the beginning of a run rather than risk the potential stress and hurt feelings that can come about when you discover not everyone thought the way you do.
It's true. I see lots of people on the forum trying to justify going against the long established system of only rolling for the character and role you are playing the the group when the loot drops. Then I go in game and see that those players are a vast minority in the game.

A group of people were vocal about it on the forum so it must be acceptable in game. LOL
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